14641st poster gets a cookie (cookie thread (Part 7)) (Part 10)

[Marluna]

@Zone_Q11

If the superclass is Mechanical, then what other superclasses are there? Social? Or is this superclass used to type something that doesn’t belong to the six classes?

Probably there are some superclasses not being mechanical. But those probably aren’t things hosts should have influence during the game.
(like game mechanics (day-night cycle/factions (informed/uninformed/multiball)/how executions work (mandatory/majority/plurality. and so on))

@Zone_Q11

Do [Communication] and [Informative] (i.e., the act of giving out information; e.g., Visitor informing their visitors that they have been visited) fall under Status-changing?

I would argue those are modifications among the 6 listed above. (you don’t really can undone info you already gained, can you?)

@Zone_Q11

There are subclasses for Copying and Inheriting, but where would [Bestowing] and fall to?

In my opinion, that’s modification as well. Same reason as above.

@Zone_Q11

but what about Gladiator or roles that disallow someone to be voted?

That’s definetly rule-changing.

[Marluna]

@Marluna

@Zone_Q11

Do [Communication] and [Informative] (i.e., the act of giving out information; e.g., Visitor informing their visitors that they have been visited) fall under Status-changing?

I would argue those are modifications among the 6 listed above. (you don’t really can undone info you already gained, can you?)

Well, maybe you can put those under investigative abilities.

[Zone_Q11]

@Marluna

@Marluna

I would argue those are modifications among the 6 listed above. (you don’t really can undone info you already gained, can you?)

Well, maybe you can put those under investigative abilities.

Access to hoods fall under Status-changing, which is why I’m confused where [Communication] would fall under.

As for [Informative], the information isn’t guaranteed to be an investigation (i.e., pertaining a result about a player).

@Marluna

In my opinion, that’s modification as well. Same reason as above.

Yes, but where in the hierarchy/list?

Inheritance is below Copy in the list, so it goes first. E.g., if Backup inherits from a dead Roleblocker, and a Copier copies the Backup, then the Copier would gain Roleblocker as well.

However, if Inventor were to give Backup a 1-Shot Vigilante on top of that, would that ability also be copied as well? (Assume that Inventor gives abilities instead of items because of poor setup/role design.)

@Marluna

That’s definetly rule-changing.

So… the concept of [Voting] would have to be disassembled into Status-changing and Rule-changing?

[Marluna]

@Zone_Q11

So… the concept of [Voting] would have to be disassembled into Status-changing and Rule-changing?

No. The concept of [voting] isn’t a mechanical effect. It’s a game mechanic.

Giving out extra vote changes one player’s status, ergo Status-changing, but removing someone from from the voting pool, is changing the rules of the game, so it changes the rule of the game. (also it need to conveyed to everyone in the game in the process, so they know the rules have changed.)

[Zone_Q11]

@notblackorwhite

• Immunity
• Delaying

…wait a minute. What does this order imply?

If one is immune to “negative effects”, and another delay’s one’s actions, would that mean that that immunity is effectively non-existent for delays?

Same logic applies to Manipulation; what good does Manipulation-Immunity do when all Redirections and Diversions are above it in the hierarchy?

[Zone_Q11]

@Marluna

No. The concept of [voting] isn’t a mechanical effect. It’s a game mechanic.

I get that, but when I said [Voting] I meant “abilities that affect the way players vote”. E.g., Gladiator, Doublevoter, Hated, etc. (Here’s a list from Mafia Universe.)

@Marluna

but removing someone from from the voting pool, is changing the rules of the game,

I would argue that removing someone’s vote (especially if temporary) is just a debuff and thus would also fall under Status-changing.

In my head, Rule-changing would be more like if all players couldn’t vote a particular player.

@Marluna

(also it need to conveyed to everyone in the game in the process, so they know the rules have changed.)

…well that’s just formality; not a mandatory necessity. Just like how it would be most appreciated if the hosts were to inform players if they were redirected and/or blocked.

[Marluna]

Read again.

@notblackorwhite

Actions that depend on another action resolve after the action(s) they depend on.

The hiearchy happens only if

@notblackorwhite

If actions mutually depend on each other

So, if you are immune to manipulations, your action is definetly resolve after manipulations. Immunities usually aren’t depending on actions which are depending on the immunity. (Unless something removes your immunity in the result of your own action, but that’s rare.) You use the hiearchy only in those cases.

[Zone_Q11]

[New topic]

Beguiler: Any to Self → Target
Bus Driver: Any to TargetA ↔ Any to TargetB
Deflector: Any to TargetA → TargetB
Lightning Rod: Any to Target → Self
Magnet: Target → Self
Redirector: TargetA → TargetB

…kinda makes me wonder why the other versions aren’t used.

Nexus: Any to Self → RandomOther
???: Target → Any to Self
Traffic Controller: TargetA ↔ TargetB
???: TargetA → Any to TargetB
Brainshocker: Target → Target
Randomizer: Target → RandomOther

[Zone_Q11]

@Zone_Q11

Bus Driver: Any to TargetA ↔ Any to TargetB

@Zone_Q11

Traffic Controller: TargetA ↔ TargetB

And of course, their worse sibling: Taxi Driver

Oddly enough Ambulance Driver doesn’t actually have anything to do with Manipulation. Instead it’s Observation.

[Zone_Q11]

@Rhea

Zone_Q11 had multiple identical village roles last game, so I could see him trying to subvert that “host meta”.

Sorry for necroposting, but uh. I doubt this (i.e., me subverting my “host meta”) will happen.

Like, the Zones from 2022~2024 have made so many setups that they had to be put in a backlog, and I don’t exactly improve my setups after I’m done with them. So… whether my “host meta” was already subverted or not is something not even my present self knows about.

Maybe he tried to subvert one meta in one setup, and another meta in another. Maybe he expected the “player resistance” and took that to account.

Either way: I don’t remember anymore, and I am not planning to do anything about these until the setups get reviewed. (Which, according to my backlogs, take more than a year by now.)

[Marluna]

@Zone_Q11

???: Target → Any to Self

This doesn’t makes sense.

@Zone_Q11

???: TargetA → Any to TargetB

Neither does this.

[Zone_Q11]

@Marluna

@Zone_Q11

???: Target → Any to Self

This doesn’t makes sense.

Target a player. Redirect that player to any player visiting you tonight, assuming there are any.
This ability does nothing if you aren’t visited by any other player tonight.

@Marluna

@Zone_Q11

???: TargetA → Any to TargetB

Neither does this.

Target two players. If the second player were to be visited by at least one other player, then you will redirect the first player to a random player who visited the second target.
This ability does nothing if your second target isn’t visited by any other player tonight.

[sulit]

They weeereee but i might have spent like 400 bucks

[Zone_Q11]

Currently watching POV7 (Elliot Ashvale) E1. Stream malfunctioned especially in the latter half. Cause unknown; tech issue. Video lagged so much that only momentary pictures were visible every half minute or so. Audio is fine for the most part, though static frequently appeared as well.
Update: Stream crashed. Final 20-ish minutes was made into a new stream.

• POV1 (Merchant, Eliza Ashvale): E1, E2.
• POV2 (Coven Leader, Guinevere Brent | Guild Member / Bully, […]): E1 ~ E3.
• POV3 (Guild Member, Delanulel Tetch): E1, E3. E4 available.
• POV4 (Guard Lieutenant, Daisy Gold | Guard, Natalie Ranger): E1 ~ E4.
• POV5 (Guild Leader, Solomon Harcourt): E1 ~ E4.
• POV6 ([DM] | Coven Member, Theodosia Marrowthorne | Mercenary, Dorothy […] | Guild Member / Bully (Newbie?), […]): E1 ~ E3. E4 available.
• POV7 (Merchant, Elliot Ashvale): E1. E2, E4 available at Twitch, though E4 appears to be chopped into multiple parts, implying more tech issues.

[Zone_Q11]

I don’t think I can do this. Standard roles… are so boring! (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[orangeandblack5]

holy

[orangeandblack5]

anyways hey sulit ur back on the west side of the state right

not east?

[sulit]

no im still on east side i was just working yesterday at purdue

[orangeandblack5]

well if ur still there and are interested in a trip to Cedar Point on Saturday lmk

got a few literally free tickets, but most of my friends still around here are too busy with school to head out that way at the drop of a hat (and the one who isn’t has a heart condition) so if ur free and interested lmk, otherwise they prolly go unused lol

technically i could maybe do friday if you are extremely interested but cannot make saturday work, but id have to leave pretty early since im going to the tigers game with my dad so im starting with a saturday assumption

[orangeandblack5]

idk how far that is for you but I assume about as far as it is for me?

maybe we’re a bit closer idk

if not nbd but i literally have free tickets so not using them feels like a waste