18981st poster gets a cookie (cookie thread (Part 7)) (Part 10)

I haven’t actually played this system but I found a decent number of people online mentioning mental load (or things adjacent to mental load) as an issue

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a problem people tend to have with the really rules light systems is that people (whether they consciously think it or not) like having mechanics to supplement their character story beyond ‘being vaguely better at a thing than another person’

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daggerheart obviously doesn’t have this issue
so
probably pretty good there

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i mean
its still fairly simple?
like instead of rolling, then adding your modifier
you roll, add two numbers together, then add your modifier

and then you look a dice and say whihc one is higher/lower (most of the time)
i dont see it as much harder?

and you have far less to keep track of than in DND, like you just tick a box instead of erasing, rewriting, keeping track of spell slots, keeping track of what spells even do

its all there in front of you and extremely simplified which makes them adaptable and easy to use/understand, even on a first play

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there appear to be other modifiers than just attribute?
also there’s a hope / fear token system which does additional things

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like it’s manageable
I can handle 3.5 and that’s CRUNCHY
I can just see how people might have difficulties with this system (and empirically they do)

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I might be looking at a playtest release?

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ehhhhhhhhhh

I spent way too long for this puzzle.
Initial observation

[3] is >9 long; not Renban
[4] is >9 long; not Renban
– Renban = 1,2,5,6

[4] Row 1; not Palindrome
[6] Box 7; not Palindrome
– Palindrome = 1,2,3,5

[4] Row 1; not German Whisper
[5] Identity; not German Whisper
[6] Box 7; not German Whisper
– German Whisper = 1,2,3

[3] Row 4; not Region Sum
[4] Box 1; not Region Sum
[5] Col 7; not Region Sum
[6] Box 7; not Region Sum
– Region Sum = 1,2

Parity is too versatile,
and Red Herring does nothing.

– Renban = 1,2,5,6
– Palindrome = 1,2,3,5
– German Whisper = 1,2,3
– Region Sum = 1,2
– Parity & Red Herring = _

Brute-Forcing 1


RS(2) ∧ GW(3) → Contradiction
→ [RS(2) → GW(1)]


RS(1) ∧ GW(3) → Contradiction
→ [RS(1) → GW(2)]

– Renban = 5,6
– Palindrome = 3,5
– German Whisper = 1,2
– Region Sum = 1,2
– Parity & Red Herring = 3,4,5,6

Visualization 1


Brute-Forcing 2 (For real this time)
Parity (3)


P(3) → PLD(5) → RB(6)
P(3) → GW(2) → RS(1)
P(3) → Contradiction

Parity (5)

“P(5) → RB(6), PLD(3), RH(4)
+ RS(2) ∧ GW(1)”
Failure.


R7C3 not [8]


R7C3 not [9]

“P(5) → RB(6) → PLD(3) → RH(4)
+ RS(1) ∧ GW(2)”
Failure.

P(5) → Contradiction

Parity (6)


R7C3 not [8]


R7C3 not [9]

“P(6) → RB(5) → PLD(3) → RH(4)
+ RS(1) ∧ GW(2)”
Failure.


Bifurcation [4] on R7C4. Failure.


Bifurcation [2,7] on Box 3. Failure at the very end.

“P(6) → RB(5) → PLD(3) → RH(4)
+ RS(2) ∧ GW(1)”
Failure.

P(6) → Contradiction

Conclusion: Parity (4)

– Renban = 5,6
– Palindrome = 3,5
– German Whisper = 1,2
– Region Sum = 1,2
– Parity = 4
– Red Herring = 3,5,6

Visualization 2


Brute-Forcing 3
Palindrome (5)

“PLD(5) → RB(6) → RH(3)
+ RS(1) ∧ GW(2)”
Failure.


Bifurcation [4] on R7C4. Failure.


Bifurcation [7] on R6C2. Failure.


Bifurcation [6] on R9C6. Failure.


Bifurcation [6] on R5C5. Failure.


Bifurcation [8] on R6C6. Failure.


“PLD(5) → RB(6) → RH(3)
+ RS(2) ∧ GW(1)”
Brute-Force on Pause.
Path may be possible.

Red Herring (5)

“RH(5) → PLD(3), RB(6)
+ RS(1) ∧ GW(2)”
Failure.


“RH(5) → PLD(3), RB(6)
+ RS(2) ∧ GW(1)”
Failure.

RH(5) → Contradiction

219 minutes have passed. It’s 3:30 AM in the bloody morning.
I’m gonna sleep now. I’ll try RB(5) tomorrow.

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Status:

– Renban = 5,6
– Palindrome = 3,5
– German Whisper = 1,2
– Region Sum = 1,2
– Parity = 4
– Red Herring = 3,6

To do:
“RB(5) → PLD(3) → RH(6)
+ RS(1) ∧ GW(2)”
“RB(5) → PLD(3) → RH(6)
+ RS(2) ∧ GW(1)”

here are some people who have actually played the system talking about it (since my word is very minimally worth anything)

I see mental load being an issue from two different angles. Resource tracking and ‘how to process interactions’

Needless to say, all reviews I could find were able to back up the claim that ‘the system is overall very good’ pretty well to me (an experienced ttrpg dm)

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anyways
lancer is the best system everything else sucks by comparison

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i miss atlas

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cookie vibes feel off without her but I suppose the vibes eventually adjust

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Where did she go
Did we look between the sofa cushions?

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last time i did that I found United States Vice President JD Vance. Safe to say I’m never doing that again

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why can’t i just get hired for gender diversity’s sake

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current job plans: fuck around until 2028 hits and president hunter biden brings back DEI

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Trump

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@Luka can i show u a rly dumb meme

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