30000th poster gets a cookie (cookie thread (Part 7)) (Part 10)

I am curious where for you USA’ians it writes the procedure for divorce, cuz for us we have the civil code that you can freely read. It’s like a real informative source and google the jargon when it appears.

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I do use chatgpt for assignments but only as a template because I will go anyways to fill the info for myself. Because as you said it misunderstands the requirements and says the same argument in 3 bulletpoints or it even dreams up the Constitution of Romania.

Tell what you said about social media to the parents of the kids who committed suicide over cyberbullying, there are so many of them and it’s very prevalent in a very distinct and direct way. On an emotional, human level. This is the same point you’re making, you’re just desensitized to the human cost of social media because you’re used to it.

I’m not particularly trying to butt into this debate broadly, but I think you’re being hypocritical here.

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There’s so many case studies of teenagers (and adults!) committing suicide because of mass harassment campaigns that are only possible because of social media, people losing their jobs and their families from being outed as gay or trans or what have you, there is a real human cost to every technology and pretending an argument that “the benefits outweigh the costs” is inherently morally reprehensible because the families would feel devastated about it is not morally consistent in any world.

You can’t just say “no productivity increase is worth the human cost of those deaths”, because productivity increases stop deaths and somebody can just throw the same back at you, “tell that to the parents whose kids died of preventable diseases because the government stifled LLM development that would’ve had applications to protein research”. You have to argue that the productivity increase isn’t worth it.

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… how?

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also, like, banning the use of LLMs is not an actually rational solution but you get the idea

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Social media to me is double-edged. For me personally it helped me stand out from the corrosively conservative Romanian society and teach me about what it truly means to be yourself, mental health psychology and science to be very aware of common mental traps and other common phenomenons in life.
But I feel that if you happen to fall in the rabbit holes of endless downward spiral circles of negativity to the point it makes you feel like you live in a crapsack society without the light at the end of the tunnel, that safe spaces are quickly vanishing and everything is becoming increasingly vapid and hostile. So we end up with global loneliness epidemic, manosphere, raise in political violence where it corrodes the progress towards being more enlightened, levelheaded and compassionate to fulfill lives for both ourselves and others.

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thread is thoughtfood rn

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It’s not a tragedy if you’re actively saying it’s good the trolley is running over the people on the tracks because hypothetically more people could be tied to the other one. There’s no evidence that we need to keep things as they are to be able to use AI to save lives in the future. You’re just saying that. You’re arguing that the people whose deaths it had a thumb on the scale for don’t matter because, eh, they probably would have offed themselves anyway ignoring that the more time someone has on this earth is more time they have to get help and change paths.

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For me personally it was really easy for me to find content on what is depression, how to step out from difficult people, how to recognise abuse, how to draw boundaries, what negative behavior is not normal that you shouldn’t tolerate, what you should do to deal with conflict and stress. How to be more emotionally supportive, how to step away from your mental shadows and recognise that you’re not terrible and all other humans are as complicated as you are and everyone is going through their own things and at the end of the day, everyone is trying their best.

But I feel all of that just vanished and we’re on high alarm 24/7.

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well LLMs are proven to accelerate the pace of coding, learning new material, etc.

at least anecdotally, i saw a talk at my school from a medical researcher who said that certain tasks (specifically: looking at and summarizing papers in diverse fields) that would have taken him months to do now take mere weeks due to LLM’s

these small gains across the board likely contribute to large-scale productivity increases

The tech used for language can also potentially be applied to problems other than language. I’ve used LLMs for protein folding, ESMFold is worse than AlphaFold but way faster (and medicinal applications require you to scan tons and tons of proteins, so faster saves lives)

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If you try to ban LLM development just for language, you’ll inhibit the other applications

even from a purely productivity-focused viewpoint i find it unlikely these potential minor gains (that may even be offset by all the things AI hinders) offset make up for the loss of potential productivity from the lives lost

and I find it even more unlikely that the regulation of chatbots like chatGPT on websites would hinder these things in a meaningfully impactful way

in a hypothetical world where you either allow completely unfettered access to & development of AI or you ban it entirely, the productivity increases could compare, yes. i’m not sure, as i’m not educated on that, but it’s Possible
we do not live in a world like that

ai unironically has so much to offer calling these things minor is kind of insane
like, i think AI is only bad because it is being turned into a product for mass consumption as opposed to a tool that can heavily accelerate so many different fields
the “lives lost” argument is also just… so full of hypotheticals. there have been people who have died because of AI, and there will be people who were saved because of Ai (from a technological standpoint). the “what ifs” and slippery slope just aren’t relevant to the actual discussion on if AI causes more harm than not, because if that is what you are using to measure “harm” then it is unmeasurable

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i think people thought they were being a lot more cautious than they really were. i also think some people think differently and are raised very differently and that in itself changes their mindset if that makes sense.

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well, yes

social media is so double edged though that is very true. so very true. i love hate the internet and social media

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But how could you hate the internet if you met such a cool diva such as Silviu?

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