8-Ball FM - Day 2 (6/8)

[Memekingpizza]

i realized i put the adjectives in the wrong order. Mafia but the flavor was DND.

[Xorbitant]

I still don’t know. what was the game I played with you ?

[Memekingpizza]

Daybreak mafia

[Xorbitant]

ohk

[Memekingpizza]

Anyways ill be replying to the wallpost then eepy time. (eppy time is also doomscroll time)

[Marshal]

You’re new to the site and i dont want to scare you off by forcing you to read the awful to navigate mafiauniverse but I want to provide context for how im seeing him. This was lowkey a bitch of a post to make on mobile so i’d be sad if you didnt but if its not how u wanna spend your time, then whatever.

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tutuu straight up won champs btw. his winning finals game was wolf game where he… outted himself to get a villager killed in order to set his team up.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/56520?p=10184503&viewfull=1#post10184503

I think his most recent towngame on this site accurately shows who he is as town (leader, considerate, paranoid of being fooled, collected)
https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/combelintorics-mafia-mafoa-win/17000/3355

In the spirit of fairness, you could also read a towngame tutuu himself linked this game (that does match his d1 more but it will help you get the sense of the type of player he isn’t, that he showcased SoD) https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/61572-Chase-s-Takeover-(Invitational)

[Marshal]

im going to bed. again idk what i could really add but xorb you are the most important player in the game (not saying that to pressure u or butter u up, you just are) so if you have any questions ask away otherwise i am prob gonna be a bit more sparing in my posts tmr. tmr is the earlyaction deadline for a law school im applying to so i cant spend all day mafiaing

[Memekingpizza]

When it comes down to it. I do believe in minimum one mafia being on dia. Since if it’s ISH+Xorb… gg go next. we are not finding xorb.

Any type of survival is always NAI but I do think my vote for Tutuu to live is AI since it was not my life on the line. So it comes down to how you view it at the end of the day.

Based on my few interactions with Chomps in other games the early game feels like Chomps. But I always think that. So NAI.

When it comes to me the difference between Tuttu and Dia was vibes plus I think Tutuu was just being townier than Dia. While Dia didn’t feel right. But that’s how I felt about it at the time.

So about my hard TR of Tuttu. Well it’s not that hard if you are on their just higher. As I just found you in like 40 ish minutes. So they were just on the edge of lock town of it. So why can’t I just have confidence in it?

[tutuu]

meows pathetically

[tutuu]

@Xorbitant

Just post them rn

here:

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@ diafiasco I’m sorry. I feel like I hatecrimed you. You were the player reading my slot in best faith, imo, and I responded to that by biting the hand that feeds me. I feel like you’re literally Mafia Jesus and I’m Mafia Judas. My bad, dia. I wish I died over you. It would have put you in a rough spot but maybe you could solve it better than me rn. In my defense, if I may, my position was a bit difficult, with like 50-60% of the lobby wanting me dead, 1 hour after game start, non-stop. But yeah, despite the rough position, I still feel responsible to produce accurate reads, and I don’t blame anyone else for my own inaccuracy, and I wish I didn’t hatecrime you. I’m sorry.

It’s very possible I got pocketed by both wolves. My bad guys. I’m dropping my reads from yesterday. I don’t know what I can do to find the wolves. I’m like. I kinda wish I got voted yesterday, but I thought there’s no shot dia would be 8balled, so I thought either of us is a safe execution. I also thought that me not self-pressing or self-voting would constitute not playing towards win condition. I’m so surprised by that 8ball choice. That choice indicates to me a wolf in Marshal / May, at least one (if not both). It’s like a really out there choice, like what

May was pretty comfortable with that v/v EoD so I’m sus there. Marissa less visibly comfortable but she did push dia a lot. Chomps I think he just townread me, and I know I didn’t 8ball dia. Memeking it’s possible I got pocketed by

If any kind villager would like to suggest to me who should the wolf team be from my PoV if they assume I’m town (and like, in case this is obvious to them) I would appreciate it, coz I’m just really struggling

At the very least I can promise you guys that I’m not gonna yell or ping people or anything like that. I’m not gonna like resign to being killed (coz we lose) but like I’ll just try to play in the middle. Maybe on the lower end. But yeah no more passion from me.

To be fair (towards me), some of you guys haven’t been trying to make a lot of reads yesterday. Which is arguably better than making incorrect reads (like I did). But like. It’s easy to NOT BE WRONG when you don’t particularly try :sweatsmile:. I could consider to be a little more selfish in future games and try less hard. That would mean it’s less my responsibility if we lose. But, again, double-edged sword. If I DO try hard, and try to have more impact, and I’m wrong, then it’s obviously more my fault than those who pushed the wrong read less. So. I suppose there’s no perfect metric. It’s always a double-edged sword. Out of a feeling for altruism and selflessness I end up doing bad for the team, which is like, polar opposite direction. :(

But yeah, I tried too hard and ended up wrong, my bad. Should have just been more quiet from the very start and ate the mischop way earlier, I was gonna get hammered mid-day at one point. Coz like NOW it’s too late lmao. But I also don’t wanna yell NOW, after yesterday

So like. I reversed the order. I should have been more quiet yesterday and today was the day to go ham. Instead of what I’m gonna do which is reverse. Damn. But like. I can’t get myself to yell after yesterday

I would feel comfortable if I could find a village read and just lean on them and sheep them. If anyone wants to be my shepherd. Funnily enough thinking of Xorb. But idk. I mean I think he’s town

I guess the thing that is giving me anxiety is the fear that someone might blame me post-game. If that happens I would defend myself because I think it’d be unreasonable. Not that I think OTHER people are at fault, I just wouldn’t feel it would be fair to specifically like solely blame me, I have been getting buried all day and like, I’d like to think I didn’t particularly yell at people to vote dia, voting me was also a choice, voting Ish was also a choice, I wasn’t even there for EoD, I was fine with dying.

I’m ranting, but my point was that if someone blames me I would want to defend myself, and I’m scared of that because stuff might get spiky and I’d like to avoid that. But I should like be ready to, I don’t wanna like let people walk all over me (in general, outside of mafia) so I guess I would just have to learn how to get more comfortable with defending myself (outside of mafia). In this hypotethical scenario, that might not necessarily happen, just general anxiety that it might.

Anyway, sorry. Forum Mafia.

I don’t know who’s mafia, my fellow villagers. Not great! (This is a cry for help). I need like. Someone to hold my hand

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I don’t know who’s mafia (depressed person gif)

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The purpose of this mafia game is to torture tutuu. Now, granted, every mafia game has, to an extent, the purpose to torture tutuu. But for this mafia game, specifically, the entire and sole purpose is to torture tutuu. Tutuuman show.

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i had an idea, idk if its good. so like. we can afford 1 mischop if we dont hit bomb. i feel like i was bombed (knowing im town). from your guys’ pov im either town or wolf, right? if im town, do u agree i got bombed? and if im wolf - well, idk, anyone could be bombed, including or excluding me.

so i was wondering if potentially we could make a play where. you guys solve and share your suspects first. before i get to share mine. the idea being. that im trying to “leash myself” sorta. or maybe i share my suspects, before any of you share yours. not sure which order. like, if im wolf, i could potentially be aiming to win by misexecuting bombed villager, right? but if i “leash myself”, and let u guys discuss suspect, that would prevent w!me from pushing the bombed target. of course, there would be 1 more wolf left. but it would be 4v1. but also i do need to share my thoughts to let ppl read me coz otherwise they might suspect me. so nevermind maybe this idea is fruitless. just a random thought i had

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Could somebody please help me (this is a cry for help).

1. my reads have been wrong, and i was confident in them (dia mafia)
2. people have had an unkind reception to the way ive been trying to defend myself and accuse others
3. i am at the spotlight (both yesterday and today) and my mischop today is very likely mechanically game losing

The combination of all 3 at the same time is a bit too much for my caliber. I could handle just 1, or maybe 2, but all 3 at the same time is a bit too much for my willpower. What would you guys do in my position? I dont wanna give up (because thats losing towards my team). But i dont exactly have the willpower to keep pushing through. I dont know what to do

Despite the countless argument about this, I still think I was blatant town d1. You’re not gonna convince me I wasn’t. I think that I de facto posted my role PM itt at least 50 times. And normally I have multiple people townreading me and like talking to me. This reassures me, like, it makes me feel safer. That didnt happen this game, and i don’t know who i can trust. When i feel all alone its very stressful and i don’t know what to do. Im not even sure MKP and Xorb and Chomps are town anymore, who have been defending me. I’m not sure Marissa is town either. So i feel entirely alone. I just feel half-dead now. And I don’t intuitively have a feeling on how we could possibly win and where to look in terms of wolves. Which is why I’m asking for help. I don’t know how can we win. If anyone has any good ideas then I’d appreviate that.

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• @ dia My bad on misreading you and wrongly tunneling you. Your early read on me was good.

• I… don’t. Know. Who’s mafia. I don’t even know where to start. I’m frozen as town. I’m the game losing mischop, like I’m aware of the situation, I just feel helpless.

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• Right now I feel like a Darkest Dungeon character that has reached level 100 stress. Just like in the game, there is a 75% chance I have a negative affliction in response, and a 25% chance I receive a positive one. I want to be open minded to the latter and not bury the chance.

• Despite the worst possible start, I would like to continue trying and see if we can win. No matter what - NEVER GIVE UP. I will not lock people as mafia and yell at others to sheep. Fine. It didn’t work out, I was wrong on dia. It is possible I was pocketed by one or both wolves. I will try again from tabula rasa.

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Marshal could be mafia. May could be mafia. Memeking could be mafia.

I think it’s 2/3 from Marshal, May, MKP. Ishmael and Xorbitant are my townreads.

I’m thinking May + Marshal. Ishmael and Xorbitant I’m thinking town.

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and the one with the genjutsu that i actually decided to post earlier

[tutuu]

I think that on a macro level Marissa + MKP team makes sense from their maneuvering

MKP has been tunneling on Ish. Marissa strongarmed people away from Ish. Hard shielded her. MKP didn’t listen, but he didn’t oppose either. His Ish vote was then de facto invalid, a long time ago. So basically his vote was up in the air, ready to be placed on anyone he wishes.

Marissa has strongarmed tutuu/dia wagons a longggg time ago. Yes, I was also tunneled on Dia, but I’m uninformed town. So FMPOV I know there’s Mafia out here. Ultimately MKP helped.

A little bit of a presumptuous read, but what if w!Marissa mind controlled v!Chomps into voting dia? She paired me/Chomps as a team quite a lot. She kept saying “The teams are either tutuu/chomps or dia/may, with NOBODY else”. She kept saying that, and Chomps kept reading that. From Chomps’ PoV, if you see town leader Marissa saying that, you are inclined to vote Dia.

Then, finally, I felt like Marissa was setting up for the dia vote switch. She kept repeating “EoD is atrocious”, as if she got some spider sense. Much sharper spider sense than the rest of us! And she put it a lot on May, accused May of being the reason for Marissa to last second switch to the 8ball target.

Here is my evidence for all of these claims:

1. MKP tunneling Ish:

@Memekingpizza

But instead of dying here tutuu. I would rather see a mafia die and the candidate is ish imo imo

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2. Marissa strongarming people away from Ish:

@Marshal

ishmael is the most obvious 8ball target of all time tho. especially if its tutuu wolf. and if you really think that the team is me/ish you should be voting me first

@Marshal

genuinely please someone unvote ish please.

3. Marissa strongarming tutuu / dia wagons

@Marshal

tutuu’s partner is the most obviously diafiasco diafiasco of all time btw but it could be a few people. Hell it could really be may, perhaps thats why tutuu is acting completely different btwn conversations.

@Marshal

i’d do tutuu or dia. pref tutuu but need to iso dia. would not do ish or mkp. much to the chargrin of ish or mkp

@Marshal

dia writes most tutuu/diafiasco wolfteam popin of alltime asked to leave 8ball fm

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4. Marissa getting spider sense that EoD is atrocious and blaming it on Sleepy May while May was like “bwaaaa”

@Marshal

im getting truly atrocious vibes from this eod

@Marshal

god fuck gorsh

@Marshal

idk i dont like may popin

@Marshal

may stalling dont like it

@Marshal

VOTE: dia

not giving may the choice

[tutuu]

Addendum to 3)

Here are more posts of Marissa strongarming tutuu / dia wagons. There’s at least 69 posts of her doing that

@Marshal

if not tutuu dia would be my wagon of choice if not for… well…

diafiasco (2): tutuu, Chomps

@Marshal

Dia is atp my top choice for the day if not tutuu

@Marshal

tutuu if its worth anything i think may and dia both have decently high wolf equity. It doesnt mean anything that may said the same words as me (i am a sort of west coast alt universe may) but I do think may has been avoiding me and not adding much to the convo. like not anything it almsot feels like

@Marshal

i guess tutuu/dia is still possible actually. insane pull i know but i feel it

@Marshal

i genuinely don’t think i can picture a world without one of them unless its like you and chomps

[tutuu]

@tutuu

I think that on a macro level Marissa + MKP team makes sense from their maneuvering

And again, just to summarize:

Assume Marissa + MKP wolves:

1. Marissa strongarms tutuu/dia
2. MKP has an excuse to vote dia, because he vocally townreads tutuu more
3. tutuu self-presses on dia

That’s 3 votes

[Xorbitant]

Wow

[Xorbitant]

@tutuu pls reply to what players said about u including me

[tutuu]

@Ishmael I’m playing normally and explaining stuff now, please give me a chance I beg I think these last few post were decent! (ignore the me posting my overnight whining one, I only posted it coz Xorb requested it)

[tutuu]

From this day phase?

[Xorbitant]

But Mkp is pushing marshal today

[Xorbitant]

yes

[tutuu]

Wolves distance!