About the FAM5 category - Night 2

[Gocj]

@iamagummybear

do you guys want to do solving in here?

i mean i can give my input and personal thoughts, wasnt going to solve till like tomorrow tho

[carbonated]

yes please do

i have some obligations though and probably can’t log on back tonight, all i can send is this rip

[iamagummybear]

yeah this is good enough for me lol

[iamagummybear]

bruh why did they split the threads up it makes isoing a lot harder

[Ruby]

I am down will be doing so between here and with kork in like 3 hours and would very much look through whatever you do before then and give ideas/feedback <3

[Gocj]

It breaks

[iamagummybear]

warning of longpost incoming

players im isoing: benguined, beancat, jane, tasqar, jarek

benguined bc im in qbcord and theoretically should know his maf game better than most, with the caveat that i haven’t seen him play maf in a while

everyone else bc they are low posters and i don’t have enough time/the energy to read through 500 posts per person rn; i will see how long this takes me and if i have time i might post later/before 3 pm

i didn’t want to just copy the people ruby and kork were isoing bc i think it’s good to cover a wider range of people but there is some overlap with the inactives so whatever whatever hopefully good to have different people reading

@benguinedparbecue

cool! i resolved not to rand mafia for mental health reasons

this is def lean town more than anything; idt it’s in their playstyle/lifestyle to lie about something like this

@benguinedparbecue

i’m also kind of lost right now

this turned out to be just a joke in response to ruby (as they say later)

there’s a lot of d1 posts that are just talking about me and carbon (the qbcorders)

Gocj asked benguined for their reads and benguined responded with:

@benguinedparbecue

do you think i’ve played enough games with you people to make reads with any reliability

uhhh you can be town for hunting me down for reads but i gave you my reads on qbcorders here

@benguinedparbecue

uhh gummy gets a townread her doubting her townread on me because of my joke lw post seems genuine.

carbon has given me nothing ai to work with she’ll probably end up being a d2 ita1 slot if she doesn’t improve. carbon take this as your cue to improve

they got osmething from the kahoot event but wanted to keep it secret so if maf it’s prolly like a gun and if town i would say it’s a strong investigative item or something along those lines

okay nvm they claimed later it was a track rip

@benguinedparbecue

i’ll iso the top wagons when i’m back on my puter but from my vague memory of realtiming with pqwerty last night there was a townie frustration in there. which i know can be faked or whatever but that’s probably the one top wagon i don’t like on face value

i like this post by them; it’s exactly the reason why i read pqwerty as town and benguined coming to the same conclusion w/ similar reasoning feels towny to me

they had reasonable thoughts about why kelsier was townie but casted a little bit of ambiguity/shade if im reading it correctly towards amelia with

@benguinedparbecue

it was funny seeing replies on amelia’s one AI post about how it’s amelia’s only AI post. it’s alright? i don’t necessarily agree with the thoughts therein, claiming that is not outside leafia’s wolfrange at all (though i don’t necessarily wolfread it either, nor do i think resolving that today is worthwhile), but i could see that being the one genuine thought of a busy townie. probably my favorite of the three top wagons when i started though.

like idk i think it’s fine it just felt like they were both defending amelia by saying they were a busy townie and also shading them by saying they were the favorite of their top wagons

@benguinedparbecue

pigeon’s posts feel artificial. but again as aforementioned i’m getting cold feet why did the wagon grow so fast

@benguinedparbecue

i was literally gonna switch to apo but then another rapid shift happened i’m suddenly uncomfy

@benguinedparbecue

given two ~equal options i’d prefer the higher poster though pigeon can get slankvigged
VOTE: Apo

okay maybe im dumb but this does feel weird to me. i think voting pigeon was fine here but they said they were going to shift to apo bc pigeon’s wagon grew too fast and then said apo’s wagon grew too fast but still ended up voting apo?

idk if mafia had already bussed apo atp but the wagon logic didn’t feel equal towards how they played it with pigeon and apo. do you guys have any thoughts on this?

onto day 2:

@benguinedparbecue

gummy is so obviously town i ain’t ever rescinding

coming from benguined i think this holds more weight than most people who read me but i will say i think atp a lot of people had already started calling me town so if i were to be paranoid i would say benguined is just jumping on their train. but.

@benguinedparbecue

damn tutuu spewed me town this towning shit is easy

im not isoing through tutuu to find this but this is positive points for benguined

er a lot of their d2 in thread 2 were filled with fluffy posts (i would be a hypocrite if i faulted them for this)

@benguinedparbecue

@Zugzwang

GTH I’d shoot tutuu now between tutuu/whatdafucc

because of what’s claim
would like to find like, some of the case on the two of them tho

hmm this isn’t terrible actually

there was some early light defense of zug (zug had at some point sussed tutuu) and then

@benguinedparbecue

took the leisure of also going through italy’s ISO and oh boy! kinda just nothing there. but i’m not ignoring that wolfy popin from zug and i still don’t entirely like the “let him get ITA’d” argument and frankly if zug flips any form of wolf kp anyone advancing it should get some significant scrutiny

atp looks like benguined thinks italy is ~neutral? and zug is more wolf i think

@benguinedparbecue

like if we’re deadset on not chopping zug i’m fine with italy but don’t say i didn’t warn you

it’s probably too late to start an ISO on marluna can someone give me the case there

yet now they lean towards chopping italy bc of “the greater good” [what the thread wants] which i think is ~not how benguined plays? if they scum read a player they scum read a player

@benguinedparbecue

VOTE: Zugzwang
to the moon

and then he votes zug lmao okay so yeah this makes sense with what i know about them

then he says italy should be killed as his last message instead of zug, the player he scum reads?

okay like the EODs from both days have been largely inconsistent and flip-floppy. i think town does flip flop a little more than wolves do, given that wolves know who the wolves are but the type of flip flopping has felt the same across both days [like benguined consistently wants the 3rd person who doesn’t flip dead. pigeon in the first day and italy now] . so.

if you asked me what i thought independent of the EODs i would say benguined was a townlean but their EODs are spicy/weird enough that i don’t really know what to think of them. like maybe their EODs are not in fact problematic and im reading into it. so plz let me know what you guys think

[iamagummybear]

catbae day one doesn’t really have much

@beancat

hullo hullo

am awake and playing the game now

…i tend to townread this but the last time i did it in this chat a bunch of people told me off so i guess it’s NAI

@beancat

I should not be in student council cause im not gonna be useful

see this is towny

@beancat

im personally for trusting mech until its proven otherwise

and i think sulit’s just the person to claim it outright and not really lie about it

i think this is about sulit claiming miller? im not sure but there is some defense there which becomes important if sulit flips ig

@beancat

Anyway time to share stuffs

I have mech info on Jane but I have zero clue how to go about it

I think their miller claim is valid and shouldnt be on the shotlist today

this is towny, but im not sure how they were able to confirm jane being miller ?? like they probably wouldn’t lie as miller right so if you cop them youre just gonna see them show up as maf, no? could be a way to get a villager miskilled if beancat is wolf or something idk

@beancat

When i left shortly before ITA 1 we took creature off the list to let them talk to form an idea before we prematurely shot them

And uh

@Creature

Also my comments on Apo flipping town wasn’t an actual read on Apo

I just found it funny if Apo flipped town and the only thing we learned from D1 is that Apo was town

Apo was close to null for me and I didn’t really care about them

@Creature

/ITA Whatdafucc

Is there a reason were not shooting this

so they are p sus of creature; at this point it’s the only person they’ve expressed any views on

okay and then they voted creature and said they forgot the ITA time at the end so er

seems like a whole lot of nothing! if creature flips wolf then beancat should be lean town but rn they look just very inactive and i don’t think there’s much to say about them.

[iamagummybear]

@Jane

@Wazza I don’t get your reasoning

Why do you think it’s more likely that I’m wolf who saw my slot claim miller and also claimed miller as opposed to just being a miller?

Feels like backwards reasoning, like you’re starting with a wolfread on me and trying to justify it

ooh i really like this post by jane and if conveyed accurately i don’t like this post by wazza. probably presumptuous of me to say this off the bat but this is a strong town lean to start

okay then they kinda took back their sus on wazza by saying they were always sus on wazza and voted amelia :sadge: by quoting retro which feels kinda wolfy?? like they may be trying to piggy back off someone

@Jane

@Jane

Anyway I can see a random ability/passive from someone’s rolecard each night

I’m not gonna say who I used it on yet because idk what it means but they have this passive (paraphrased)

Upon gaining this role, gain the abilities of a role from EiMM: Shattered Hopes, adapted for the mafia format. Whenever someone inherits this passive, they will get the abilities of a different character.

*I’m not even sure I understood it correctly, it might mean the original player also gets the abilities of the character of whoever inherits that passive

@Jane

I was expecting to get something simple but this is just so confusing

Particularly the inheriting part feels wolfy to me but it could just be a wacky role

Idk what to do with this

Anyway, does anyone have thoughts on this?

this is when they targeted zug! okay yeah i think this progression is very towny

ooh also jane townreads beancat but with “no degree of confidence”

@Jane

Not particularly

I want to look at other people on the Amelia wagon but I’m pretty busy for the next few hours

idk if they got to this but it appears they didn’t

the new thread on d3 is just them wanting zug dead which i think is mechanically and socially fair.

this was worthwhile bc i didn’t really remember seeing jane’s posts (i guess they didn’t make a big impression on me) but they are very solidly town imo barring some crazy shenangians.

tldr; i like jane a lot. think they should be part of towncore if not already. no wonder no one else wanted to iso them

[iamagummybear]

tasqar time.

@Tasqar

Yooooo Lesgooo haiii guys. I got town bro LESGO!

uhm. ok. this feels kinda performative if you ask me.

@Tasqar

Have some work irl. I will be back soon. Catbae looks wolfie for some reason.

they said before this they would look at chats at noon their time bc people would be asleep and they could read better and then didn’t do anything

uhm did they not post anything d2?? are they dead??

okay they are not dead; they are just not posting anything. (i had to check the graveyard)

okay not much to go off here but the first post felt theatrical and they promised to read and didn’t which is weird . either maf who wants to remain hidden or busy town but regardless we probably need to resolve their slot lol. would say they are scum leaning bc of their first post but idt it matters atp

[iamagummybear]

jarek.

@Jarek

I’m obviously town because I’m here

same type of stuff as tasqar but tone feels more natural

@Jarek

I mean like I could pretend I’m deeply and personally offended that I’m not trusted but like I’m not I’m just here to be here you know what i mean I’m not even gonna lie I ain’t solving jack until this game gets to a reasonable size

would mafia be this blatant. i don’t think so right

@Jarek

I mean

I’m not asking to die because that’d be throwing (?) probably but like on the grand scheme of things if this were BOTC and we were playing TB my role is like the chef I don’t particularly care about dying to the point that if we must get the ball rolling and I am not trusted then bring it on

okay i do remember this post bc it caused me to put jarek in my own towncore. i think mafia would have more self-preservation than this, and the comparison to botc made a lot of sense as someone who used to play a lot of botc

uhm okay jarek seemed to be really serious about not solving bc they did not do much of anything d2 thread 2 besides ita shoot what da fuck and discuss their philosophy around the game in general

@Jarek

Thoughts aside about the anti-claim I still shield kiiruma for their actions in the private chat I had and if they do end up being a wolf then I retract the shield last second and claim the pelt instead you’re welcome.

this was their last post of the day but they did talk about shielding kiiruma throughout thread 3 in day 2 so whatever

still doesn’t appear to be any solving and they got defensive over not giving player-reads bc of the size of the game

@Jarek

To be fair all I have done is give broad game-state based reads and nothing personal.

Please don’t ask for any direct or player-specific reads I can’t do that

this feels town if anything tho im sure mafia could cook up some reads if prompted

@Jarek

This is a genuine thought, I am null to most, wolfy to a select few, I don’t think many have opinions on me and my ability is relatively low power, I’d be happy to do it and see if I’m vanilla’d or whatever else.

i like this post too. they were talking about wolves anti-claiming them ande made a long post

@Jarek

If it’s killing:
They can kill me with it and claim they vigged me
They can just kill me for no reason (probably would be a waste for them)

If it’s vanillaising:
I find out immediately and inform people

If it’s anti-claim X people to get strong effect:
Well I guess we wouldn’t know.

Ehhhh okay. Claiming to be deliberately anti-claim killed would only really open up avenues for wolves to fake vig me later if that’s what it does, and otherwise they most likely wouldn’t use it on me - since I’d be deliberately baiting and looking for it.

idk this is really towny.

okay so tldr is i think jarek is very town. they have not been er trying apparently at all this game but i think we can wait a couple more days to see if he makes good on his claim to start solving when the game trims down and if not we can resolve his slot

i just really like their posts like they seem so refreshing and so unlike a post a wolf would make if htat makes any sense. im firmly convinced they are town

[iamagummybear]

ok tldr is like i think jane and jarek are very towny, benguined is …okay besides their eod stuff, beancat is meh, tasqar needs to die

sorry i think my thoughts got jumbled the more this went on my head hurts a lot uhm plz respond and i’ll respond whenever i start feeling better

[neil_the_eel]

hi can i have some slammi please
{haiiiiiii, ngl i feel kinda bad bc my avail is rlly bad but wii ball, will read through after i showerr}

[Ruby]

@iamagummybear

okay maybe im dumb but this does feel weird to me. i think voting pigeon was fine here but they said they were going to shift to apo bc pigeon’s wagon grew too fast and then said apo’s wagon grew too fast but still ended up voting apo?

idk if mafia had already bussed apo atp but the wagon logic didn’t feel equal towards how they played it with pigeon and apo. do you guys have any thoughts on this?

I’ll post a colored vote count after this from day one btw but feels like a blank reason not really credit given reason if am being honestly like they decided to vote apo and wanted to give a reason.

@iamagummybear

okay like the EODs from both days have been largely inconsistent and flip-floppy. i think town does flip flop a little more than wolves do, given that wolves know who the wolves are but the type of flip flopping has felt the same across both days [like benguined consistently wants the 3rd person who doesn’t flip dead. pigeon in the first day and italy now] . so.

I find the opposite wolfs are wishy washy cause they have more to lose they KNOW they are pushing a town or a wolf harder to get in your head and over confident.

Agree with your anwsers btw here

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Also I haven’t started reading but kork anwsered for the 3 question
Will restate anything I say from kork is paraphrased as a reminder

Vig: benguined or Jarek (Note Jarek is a joke anwser)
Cop: Kiiruma
Track: Zug

Note I think Zug is a bad track personally but these are his suggestions.

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Am also gonna be eating food so forgive me swapping both chats and eating
though got hype HSR music going so we are good

[Ruby]

@iamagummybear

this is towny, but im not sure how they were able to confirm jane being miller ?? like they probably wouldn’t lie as miller right so if you cop them youre just gonna see them show up as maf, no? could be a way to get a villager miskilled if beancat is wolf or something idk

It is in a nut shell as I’ve been talking to kork on we have 3 miller claims which is bery ? to me atm like

I don’t get how they can have mech they are unsure of is really my question here I really liked jane how me and him reacted during ITA 2 I was so confused why no one else paused to think oh the kelsier stuff while so many just kept shooting rachet.

Like rachet was wolfy and always dieing but me and him just reacteed so simular it just felt like we has the same reactions to me.

@iamagummybear

seems like a whole lot of nothing! if creature flips wolf then beancat should be lean town but rn they look just very inactive and i don’t think there’s much to say about them.

Agree think I agree with a slight lean town here as a result on bean but not wnough to like sheild

[Ruby]

Skipping jane cause realized after
I just agree with it obviously

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tasqar

Nothing to read I feel might be right on preformative think no matter what got overwhelmed and should die tomorrow as I can’t see us solving that slow. Possible Luke shot tonight.

@iamagummybear

okay so tldr is i think jarek is very town. they have not been er trying apparently at all this game but i think we can wait a couple more days to see if he makes good on his claim to start solving when the game trims down and if not we can resolve his slot

Don’t think you quoted unless I really mised it also liked his live about willing to help test anti claim he came off very geniune about it

@iamagummybear

sorry i think my thoughts got jumbled the more this went on my head hurts a lot uhm plz respond and i’ll respond whenever i start feeling better

Please rest well if you just need to lay down please do your health is important you already did a fuck load here thanks

[iamagummybear]

Thanks for responding! Feels gud to see people actually engaging w my posts

Im on phone rn in bed so cant really quote stuff easily but jarek said he wouldnt “solve jack until the game got to a reasonable size” so i thought that meant he would start solving eventually if thats what you were referring to abt me maybe not quoting

But yeah thanks im going to try and close thread until tmrw bc of head:( good luck w your isoing w kork! Tell kork im sad to see he died but im glad he can kinda talk through you

If any of the other people in the neighborhood want to respond to my thoughts or whatever plz do think it would b3 helpful to gain a variety of opinions

[Ruby]

EoD1 Votecount

Apocryphal (16): Ephemera, Mistyx, HeroShotter9000, iamagummybear, Leafia, TheBlueElixir, Memekingpizza, nutella, soweli, catbae, Wisdom, Wazza, benguinedparbecue, Gocj, Cape90, RetrogradeDusk
Amelia (14): pandora, tepig19283, Jane, Litten, Apocryphal, gori, Kelsier, BradLand, Luka, tutuu, whatdafucc, bystander, neil_the_eel, Zugzwang
Zugzwang (4): Magnus, LittleLee, spookycat27, Selkie
thepigeonnyc (3): Relm, Creature, Kork
Pqwerty (3): thepigeonnyc, YoubutWorse, Ruby
Kelsier (2): Kiiruma, Marluna
tutuu (1): Atlas
Leafia (1): Ratchet
Kork (1): CarrotyReaper
catbae (1): Jarek
YoubutWorse (2): Daeron
Frostwolf103 (1): Silviu200530
Ephemera (1): lol
CarrotyReaper (1): Pqwerty
HeroShotter9000 (1): ImaginaryNeon

Not Voting (17): Amelia, beancat, sulit, Garfooled, childe, Hazardwaste, Italy, krii, Tasqar, Dz1, ExtremeWays, DramaMillMisc, Willow, carbonated, Frostwolf103, Chloe

[Ruby]

Take two why did half my colors disappear

EoD1 Votecount

Apocryphal (16): Ephemera, Mistyx, HeroShotter9000, iamagummybear, Leafia, TheBlueElixir, Memekingpizza, nutella, soweli, catbae, Wisdom, Wazza, benguinedparbecue, Gocj, Cape90, RetrogradeDusk
Amelia (14): pandora, tepig19283, Jane, Litten, Apocryphal, gori, Kelsier, BradLand, Luka, tutuu, whatdafucc, bystander, neil_the_eel, Zugzwang
Zugzwang (4): Magnus, LittleLee, spookycat27, Selkie
thepigeonnyc (3): Relm, Creature, Kork
Pqwerty (3): thepigeonnyc, YoubutWorse, Ruby
Kelsier (2): Kiiruma, Marluna
tutuu (1): Atlas
Leafia (1): Ratchet
Kork (1): CarrotyReaper
catbae (1): Jarek
YoubutWorse (2): Daeron
Frostwolf103 (1): Silviu200530
Ephemera (1): lol
CarrotyReaper (1): Pqwerty
HeroShotter9000 (1): ImaginaryNeon

Not Voting (17): Amelia, beancat, sulit, Garfooled, childe, Hazardwaste, Italy, krii, Tasqar, Dz1, ExtremeWays, DramaMillMisc, Willow, carbonated, Frostwolf103, Chloe

[Ruby]

Okay am like a thousand posts into day one and

I’ll be honest before this I was like neil could be a deep wolf? Like it’s the one person I am town reading for weak reasons.

@Wisdom

Wolfy post
But also track record doesn’t matter here, they’ll yeet you even if you out two wolves for mech reasons (:
Completely unrelated is Wisp/Millium playing??

@krii

@neil_the_eel

no i want to leave your factional chat get me out get me out im UNMASONING

awkward, i dislike. but its other msgs seem similarly awkward so i probably dont just mesh well with its way of communicating

Am still going but want to share here that like these look great for Neil