BOTC/BOTF Discussion Thread 2

close enough that I can ask what the best was for those abilities instead?

but the most recent alch wizard game I ran they wished for infinite wishes, I granted it with the price of ā€œeach wish you make from now on will have a worse and worse priceā€

everyone had fun with it so I’d say it was a success please ignore the fact that they only made one further wish while sober and healthy

…and. what was that wish.

the vizier ability

okay so you see my problem right

just. the fucking vizier ability

they didnt use it

no

this isn’t fun!

im sorry i cant cherrypick an example for you?

what would you think a good wish would be then

in my homebrew experience wizard-esque abilities tend to be more controlled as well so I don’t think you’d get what you want

info would be fine but that’s just spy but worse

I can’t really answer this with a specific example. A reasonably balanced wizard wish is equivalent in power to other Minion abilities, and the price and clue are there to drag down what would be overpowered wishes. Yes it’s incredibly difficult to get right, and Wizard is the hardest character to run. But also, in theory, any wish that wouldn’t get outright denied is balanceable.

I guess what I would say is that expecting wizard games to be fully 100% solvable is probably not the right mindset to approach the character and can be reasonably stated as to why you don’t like it. But like, botc isn’t really intended to be fully mechsolvable 100%, wizard just pushes it.

Would hardly call it one of the worst releases. I personally don’t think it should’ve released but that’s more because I have a different issue (ST consult tracking) that wasn’t fixed.

i think mech should have a good chunk of worth thought

poisoner is fine since it can only affect one person, xaan is fine because it’s only one night, etc

and the Clue offers that for wizard in this perfect world

but when something is boundless an obvious problem rises, and that comes to the terms where i just don’t think it’s very fun in a way

just an evil amne could be

i don’t think either of us can think of a wish, a clue, and a consequence that significantly impacted the game and was fun and engaging for everyone, whilst both being good mechanically

no, I will not, because I don’t play with wizard like. at all

I guarantee you you could ask people who have and get an answer

who can i ask

could ask kiiruma or hazzy methinks, or go on unofficial

or reddit

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