Cookie Thread Act 3: The Cookie Strikes Back

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#18071

update I died n1 as recruited deputy

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#18072

fuck this shit im entering casual queue again

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#18073

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#18074

im not sure if abstaining and convincing a handful of people to not consume product X makes any dent in large businesses profit. might have more success becoming a health inspector or trying ot get into the government or being one of those people that breaks in factories and films stuff. otherwise the gain seems purely psychological, like you feel good about yourself, which fair enough, nothing wrong with that from a selfish perspective which i dont think is bad, everyone is inherently selfish to some degree. personally i wouldnt go for that route to obtain “feel-good” about myself, it’d feel like self-flagellation to me (abstaining from milk eggs etc)

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#18075

yeah

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#18076

also if we take a puff of the blunt and go deeper:

we think disease is bad because we’re influenced by our mammalian pov. disease is really bad for us. not so bad from the pov of disease. bacteria and parasites are living organisms. im not so sure on viruses. but if we prioritize animal lives and wellbeing over parasites - we’re doing that because we’re mammals, we’re subjective, not objective, not fair. if we were to play God - parasites are also living creatures, so why don’t they deserve to Do Their Thing as well? they’re doing the same thing as us. the Cosmos doesn’t care either way, no?

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#18077

Protozoa have rights too

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#18078

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#18079

I forgot I said that oh my god

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#18080

Stellaris: Apocalypse Mash if May is not immediately killed

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#18081

Stellaris: Apocalpyse Mash if everyone kinda wants to kill May the whole time but nobody really ever commits to it except Brad once and he misses the coin flip

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#18082

idk if that was really accurate
i think we were fairly committed to it but then we got convinced otherwise

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#18083

like i think if you hadn’t convinced us by the time ITAs happened we’d have shot you

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#18084

however you did so

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#18085

tl;dr it’s complicated

slightly longer explanation: any individual person is obviously quite unlikely to make a meaningful difference, but theoretically you have a small chance of being a tipping point that causes your local grocery store to order lots fewer chickens or whatever. roughly 10% of the US is vegetarian or vegan, it seems fairly obvious that if all of those people instead ate the average American amount of factory farmed animal products that it would lead to more animals being factory farmed. the ethics of ‘doing things with a small chance of producing a significant effect’ are controversial.

(this is all assuming you care about animals at all, some people think that animal suffering just doesn’t matter and that would obviously substantially weaken the case for avoiding animal products.)

I’m not even vegan anyways (or even 100% no-eggs-no-chicken-no-farmed-fish-atarian) so like clearly there’s some hypocrisy there

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#18086

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#18087

nah i get it, i dont think you’re hypocritical, you’re just explaining the argument, and you’re influenced to act that way because you care about your friends and they feel quite strongly about it

#18088

just won as Inquisitor because

  • the Doomsayer outted themselves d2 and got hung
  • I vanquished the psychic n2
  • we hung the Baker who got their role stolen by cursed soul. I accidentally directed attention away from the actual Famine because it was Famine day and I thought they were covering for real Famine and they were whispering with 2
    turns out 2 was the original Baker but they were still a Heretic so I won by accidentally hanging the wrong heretic
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#18089

personally I care about animal suffering but not a ton about animal death (like, except when it affects a person). by extension I think I would care about disease suffering but not about diseases dying, but the evidence that a bacterium can meaningfully suffer is pretty minimal for normal definitions of ‘suffer’ while the evidence that some animals can suffer is pretty robust (depending on the animal species – some animals probably don’t have much if any capacity for suffering, like aiui clams are in this category? could be wrong)

separately I’m more willing to make tradeoffs in the genre of ‘humans slightly less happy, animals more happy’ than ‘humans slightly more dead, animals more happy’ but that’s pretty dependent on my personal ethics system and your values might be different

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#18090

Leafia was your Jackal

She walked into a Veteran n2

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