FAM5 - Thread 4 - Day 3

[BradLand]

I wasn’t reading, wanted to get a shot off, and I had my gigantic ITA shot ritual to do which takes longer for me to do on FOL.

[RetrogradeDusk]

What’s your read on me gth with simple explanation as well.

[neil_the_eel]

im ngl it’s mostly bc i assumed i’d be asleep by now and i mentally processed that i’d be shooting in ita3 and not this session

[Daeron]

Remember not to doomer

We are winning, even in pure mech numbers - and that doesn’t consider we have 4 threads worth of content and established info already

[Psyx]

I like how most of your posts (at least in D3) are solving oriented so if we’re "culling fat, you’d be more of an asset for the next Day phases than not. So gth town, won’t shoot you

[Magnus]

Summary

@Wazza

nothing but the fact that Kyo wouldn’t vote Nutella to prove his doublevote and I don’t like that

Daeron got asked to show his role or something and he said no
then at end of day he lost it completely

@Wazza

either way I’m 5 seconds away from wagoning Daeron hard

I’m like confident they’re town, but they refused to vote Nutella to prove they have their vote back which if they’re town they should just have back

@Wazza

Okay I won’t be voting Daeron just because if a doublevoter doesn’t vote, it won’t appear on the “Not Voting” as such

But I’m entirely sketch by his refusal

@CarrotyReaper

@Daeron why did you refuse to vote to show you have your, double voting back

@Wazza

I still refuse to kill him because he can still prove himself with the EOD vote

but for someone who’s openly claimed the role, has openly proved the role on D1 and then openly claimed to regain it

it’s weird that he

wouldn’t want to prove it?

@pandora

VOTE: daeron

yeah i trust wazza atp. idk why but i do

i should probably examine that. hm

@CarrotyReaper

I’ll be honest I think how you framed is suspicious because you are just saying to vote the less popular option to be confirmed without say why but, they probably shouldn’t refuse to vote somebody now and if they do that’s really sketchy

@Wazza

He never even explained why it was suspicious, he said himself he was tempted to vote nutella anyway

I also then

explained it anyway

@Wazza

I think it’s best if we just keep it that I’ve established it but he has until end of day to prove himself or he’s ITA1 fodder tomorrow

@Daeron

Ok im back

Wazza is hardlock scum for attempting to make me prove something which wasn’t even true yesterday

If you check yesterday’s votecount at any point except EoD you will see that I have a vote count of 1

They’re clearly not trying to solve and would’ve noticed this detail if they were

@Chloe

So were you lying about being a doublevoter? And if so, why?

And why does it make Wazza a wolf to think you were

@Daeron

Literally displays one vote, what am I supposed to be proving exactly? That I still have one vote? I still have one vote: spoiler alert.

@Daeron

@FAMHost

…

If they were town, and actually wanted to solve off of this, they’d have noticed that detail
Ergo they’re not trying to actually solve my alignment

@CarrotyReaper

===Mafia Lean
Daeron
Zug
RetroDusk

@Daeron

I am absolutely happy to vote

VOTE: Wazza

Wazza attempting to pressure me into voting specifically nutella is also very suspicious

@Daeron

I don’t see why continuing to inquire about this is relevant at all, by the way.

Also carroty putting me in mafia lean for 0 reason is also scum indicative. Kill carroty asap, that is not a real thought

@Chloe

I guess i just sorta understand wazza’s pov because that votecount WOULD have proven you

@Daeron

@CarrotyReaper

are you just OMGUSing???

No, you can’t just use buzzwords to defend yourself

You need to substantiate your scumlean on me because I have quite literally been targeted with a scum silent ITA and also vanillised by them

@CarrotyReaper

I put mafia leaning because I thought wazza had a point. but also that list was a quick list where nobody had reasons so I think you saying “kill carroty because they didn’t put a reason there” is maybe the most absurd thing I’ve ever read today

@Daeron

@Wazza

I already checked

This vote counts as an EOD votecount

There’s a reason I asked so your doublevote would’ve absolutely shown if it shows at end of day

@Wazza

Kyo’s saying I’m making it out like he’s scum because he wouldn’t have shown as a doublevoter on the votecount anyway

When he would’ve, because that votecount counts as if it was an EOD votecount

I don’t see why you would be so insistent on me voting IMMEDIATELY rather than just waiting until actual EoD comes around? It reeks of ‘predict target player votes X during the day, and get mechanical benefit if so’
Your persistence & insistence makes absolutely no sense especially on someone who is already spewed town by Rachet flip

@Wazza

Because if you don’t have a doublevote you’re scum and it would be better to kill you sooner rather than later?

What question is this?

@Daeron

WHAT??
How does me not having a double vote equate to me being scum? LMAO.

@CarrotyReaper

why not just ask them to vote on a gladiate target then?

@Wazza

nutella… was… a gladiate target?

@CarrotyReaper

ye but I mean just saying to daeron vote either way because wouldn’t them voting bystander also show they are double voter

@Wazza

And then Kyo’s doublevote would’ve been muddled with others, there could be 13 other people that could also have a doublevote that would’ve interferred

at least the other one was safer to assume

@CarrotyReaper

Okay that makes sense thank you

@Wazza

I’m like entirely confused by Kyo’s reason to suspect me but shrug as long as his vote stays isolated I’m not bothered

@Daeron

I think the bottom line is that if Wazza was actually trying to deduce my alignment from this, they’d have waited until EoD instead

They didn’t

Also, they have absolutely NO clue what ability they’re even referencing. How don’t they know a hypothetical extra vote wouldn’t only apply specifically on Sundays?

Solving off of this is ridiculously unproductive and doesn’t even work. Kelsier, carroty & Wazza all jumping the gun are people with not real thoughts on me and are instead just very thirsty mafia after we wiped four of them out today for a very rare mislynch which they’re not going to get on someone their team had spewed town

@Wazza

Because you said this
You clearly indicated that today your vote is different EXCLUSIVELY BECAUSE you were vanillarized
This is not a hard assumption to make

@Wazza

And if your role doesn’t allow you to vote twice again, that’s an entirely different problem because this means you lied that you being vanillarized is the entire reason you don’t have two votes

@Daeron

They’re also attempting to equate me having or not having an extra vote today to my alignment, and completely reject the possibility of me not having a double vote as town, which is ridiculous because as I said before they have no idea where the vote yesterday even came from so the fact they’re appearing to try to solve off of it makes me think they’re not actually solving off of it

Is being concerned with proving I was vanillised a problem? No. Absolutely not. The massive amount of people except specifically Carroty, Kelsier & Wazza who have witch hunted me instead decided to do the reasonable thing and wait

There is nothing that stops Wazza having an ability which says ‘predict X player to vote X player - if successful, gain mech benefit’ - the Rhea role literally had that as a mechanic.

@Wazza

I’m literally the one who was calling you locktown 5 seconds before I asked you to vote because it was so easy to prove lmfao where is this assumption coming from

I’m also literally the one saying we shouldn’t do anything like kill you today because you still can prove yourself.

I’m giving you every single chance to prove yourself yet you’re getting hung up about one thing for literally no reason all because you refused to prove yourself which is entirely on you.

You can say it’s because “oh wow Wazza could be this, Wazza could be that” except for the fact I’ve proved my actions and what I’ve done, sure I could have something else but I think this is a completely unfounded assumption

And if something happened to you because of who you voted, it’d just be completely fucking obvious and why on earth would I choose you and not someone else with a much more obvious vote?

You’re not special, get off your high horse and stop thinking you are

@Daeron

Anyways I’m going to no longer engage with Votegate anymore because it’s complete nonsense and instead actually do something more productive than this fiasco worthy of a Drama Mill Misc post provoked by none other than Wazza

@neil_the_eel as a word of warning: it’s an extended debacle.

[RetrogradeDusk]

Probably the towniest normal thing to say in this scenario.

Don’t finish them off.

[neil_the_eel]

gth town, mostly residual from thinking ur towny d1

[Psyx]

Silviu is wolfy for ignoring and not greeting me (jkjk)

[neil_the_eel]

im not going to lie i don’t think i really see that but mostly just bc in retrospect i think i agree with their take of like “if daeron can confirm the vote there, why didn’t that happen”. like genuinely that might be the towniest thing in wazza’s iso

[Psyx]

Ok, I really need to go to work now. I hope I can live at least until the 3rd session so I can use my shot/make more reads but if not, that’s fine too glhf

[Daeron]

Carroty spew is shading town and then not mechanically assigning their shit to that

Their Readslist

@CarrotyReaper

Uh, so quickly I think, okay I need to look at player list
===Town Read
Atlas
Gocj
===Town lean
Brad
Luka
Soweli
Jarek
===Null
Willow
ImaginaryNeon
===Mafia Lean
Daeron
Zug
RetroDusk
===Mafia

this is who I remember

@CarrotyReaper

Zug hasn’t really been saying much after yesterday like idt they made a mechanical post yet which is weird imo (while I recall they said mechanical stuff day 1 and way more at that lett me check)

@CarrotyReaper

mhm I don’t think I like them much due to this (and like most of their post yesterday were not fluff from checking)

So hesistant to call out their partner
I wonder if Carroty presents that anywhere else
Whereas on townies:

@CarrotyReaper

The world is mostly just assuming apo is mafia though? and you were defending your fellow mafia?

Carroty is way more decisive

I think Carroty spew might be so easy to read

@CarrotyReaper

wait why are we not killing pigeon or smthing

Pigeon is probably town from it

[RetrogradeDusk]

Not an incorrect read persay.

It aligns with my perception that you haven’t tried to solve me recently for you to think my d1 was townier than my later days. My d1 was probably less towny if anything so almost confirms you aren’t trying to read my slot or are absorbing influence around my slot heavily.

Not sure that makes you alignment yet but my vibe was correct.

[RetrogradeDusk]

Incorrect PoV I should say.

[Magnus]

To my understanding reading back, Daeron claimed to wield a double vote which would only appear during the EOD votecount, only to promptly lose it to vanillarisation and reinherit the role sometime later.

Wazza instructed Daeron to cast a vote unto Nutella throughout the game and began protesting their slot as evil once Daeron refused, despite the fact that it’d only appear at EOD which Wazza could’ve checked at any time by looking at D1’s vote tables.

Meaning Wazza didn’t care to check and was just arguing for propensity’s sake.
Wazza’s emotive energies aren’t innately town-indicative for anyone reading into them.

[Daeron]

Carroty shaded ImaginaryNeon similarly

ImaginaryNeon is probably also T from Carroty spew

[neil_the_eel]

fwiw and this is half sheeped from eph but i do jive with the straight forward approach you tend to display, also the like. over stilting on your part reeks like. it reminds me of thesilverscepter a bit (which is probably a bad thing actually uhm)
.
ig a bit more vaguely idt your profile fits well as a wolf here but also like. eh
i’m ngl i thought u were also hard cleared for poisoning jarek until a bit ago but i think i hallucinated that

[Daeron]

@CarrotyReaper

I don’t like creature just wanting to sheep somebody and giving up when somebody has well…5 votes from checking tbh

Carroty again decisively scumreading a villager

[RetrogradeDusk]

I Said I may have absorbed a wolf poison if Jarek was not a wolf poison but the wolf poison was one-shot.

[neil_the_eel]

no the thing that is what gets me is that the glaciated vcs are (assumedly?) counted as the eod vcs; idk if we knew that but i thought that was what wazza was saying there?