i will add it to my wishlist
What is it abt
Hello, hosts! I think this game was fine. I think it was better hosted than fam5, and I think it had better roles than 2, 4, and was debatably on-par with 5. This is my review of the roles. I did not have positive feelings on every role. I understand that making these roles was a major undertaking for the two people who did it (and the person that made one role). I want to give my feedback on every role, and I donât mean this as an attack on the game or yourselves. Thank you for hosting!
Italy - Magic Bullet
another project moon reference on italyâs role to add to the pile. i do like the flavour, the quote is simple and succient, but the italics bit is honestly a bit boring. also whatâs mentioned has happened to like, two people.
the actual role itself is. well. itâs bad kp in a mash, layered under flavour. donât think the bearer should realistically get 7 magic bullet charges unless theyâre like super uncareful, but also getting the magic bullet charges themselves seems a tad difficult sans that one event (i assume hazard) won where like nobody was there. at smartest use itâll probably save like. 1-2 ita charges on average, throughout the whole game. and considering that non-lethal damage, i believe, would re-scramble when critical hits happen (i donât actually know how it works in fam6), youâd be better off just having 2 free itas at the start and nothing else not my favourite role but for what it is, it could be worse
how would i change it
in keeping italyâs role in a similar vein, iâd imagine having the night action instead being something like an extra ita. you could probably tone down the progression on the role a bit more because of that, but i think it feels a lot more powerful and fun than a bad night role if it at least has a chance to do something (even if itâs practically not That Much stronger)
like, make each magic bullet earned a (numbers not really to scale) an 7% ita (originally wrote 8% ita but. come on.) with special flavour for it. the 7th bullet thing is cool leave it in there
(no i did not give that section to of the feedback to every role, just three of them.
Icibalus - Anomalist
the quote actually reads like a botc quote, which is nice. does feel a tad bit too similiar though, like if you took a role like savantâs flavourtext and changed a few things around. italics bit is okay. like how it justifies the role, makes me appreciate it more, but it isnât exactly thrilling
okay letâs be clear here - this role kinda sucks from a user standpoint. what you get, unless someone you really wanna know from flavourclaims (like thatâs gonna happen more than once) is a random alignment rolecop but nerfed. itâs a bit swingy, cause lets say you choose to learn the flavour of al gore (famed fol mafia player), and you learn may has it. may (in this fictional scenario, this does not constitute real life advice) is a good player. you want to kill may n1 and burn their tombstone and shovel over their reads. you can kill them , and compare the role received to the one you got. now, the whole gimmick is thrown out the window and you have a known fake abil with a worse rolecop but if you choose al gore and learn ash, and ash in this scenario (and in the real world sowwy) is someone the mafia doesnât want to n1, but also not bad enough to ita d2⌠sorry. granted, i do think youâll always figure out which parts of the role are false/true by n2, but that cuts down itâs own gimmick! i think itâs a cool concept but it doesnât really work. also your reward for figuring it out is a not-exactly-fantastic rolecop want to be clear that it feels cool flavour wise, but as an actual mechanical concept it feels like it fell a bit short
for icibalusâ role, i think you could buff both of the things it does by just kinda. making it a savant?
hm no iâm not really set on that idea
howâs about this standard rolecop, but with those two abils, one false one true. once per game, the one that is false and the one that is true swaps
iâm not really super into the idea but i think itâs slightly better
maybe try to work out a way they wonât just sack one on the n1 kill though
âŚcould just add the clause âto someone youâre not killingâ or something silly like that
so at least they have to ita them
yeah i think thatâs adequate not super better but itâs alright
Magnus - Persuasive Replacement
hey this quote is neat. itâs. pretty okay actually. italics bit is boring and honestly misleads the player â that is not how the role should ever be played at all .
i think the best way to play this role is to create a minor push on a reasonably but not extremely tr player, usually framing it as for laughs at least d1, and then amplify their ita damage. doing this on someone whoâs going to be itaâd is at best suicidal. i mentally compare it to the process of re-eval but if someone eats three whole itaâs , they might not even live to use their ita even if you really trust them. and people tend to ita LHF for most of the game anyway. i get what itâs going for but iâm just not a fan of the playstyle itâs pushing. i think itâs just a really weird ita booster/ita blocker. would be useful on someone like cape/whoever tutuu itaâd in fam5
snowe - Ultimate Private Investigator
(pretty sure that title is the protag per the italics flavourtext, either way i do like it)
the quote is decent. the italics seems a bit mean.
the general role idea is cool. most of the little things follow that. shoutout to the âultimate fortune tellerâ ability text, and the âdoll of a fictional characterâ part in one of the abils is cute.
i originally had a headache when i did this role so for what it has i didnât really say much, so hereâs me in post going over opinions on the ultimate abils
prosecutor really doesnât do much, extra votes in a mash are Bad
actress is cool enough, i had a similar concept in eimm that uh. probably got that player killed. but hey be smarter about it.
pyrotechnic is a strongwiller. woooooo.
painter is ~fine but the way all hosts balance these is that you learn like Nothing off it. best to use it on a more under the radar person so they canât really do that.
assassin. +3 damage ita (ON FULL HEALTH TARGETS).
classist (i stole this joke) - this abil isnât really worth anything since itâs non-killing only. you know. the thing you want to block.
dollmaker is cute
violinist is decent, i like the title
drummer is fine, +5 ita dmg is fine here actually
orator is kinda funny so i like it
ft title is cool, abil is eh.
cinematographer is just kinda annoying to decipher, otherwise itâs eh
shoji? (iâm pretty sure thatâs meant to be shogi) wow this abil suckssss in mashes. itâs useful if youâre alive in f6 but uh. whatâs the odds youâre going to be alive then and the person mafia wants to kill.
botanist - eh.
diafiasco - Champs Rep
the quote is bad the italics is myeh
Ascetic passive only really works if you can self target with the ability, which i dunno if you can. if you can , the ability has a handful of generally weak but ~possibly useable invest options (pick a random player for all of the others except the one youâre interested in, and pick the md on yourself). then, submit that one to learn if it happened (mainly, if a person claimed roleblocked and you donât believe them, or someone says they vig shot or a strong player still being alive and saying they got protected or something) if you canât self target , goodluck. cause the MD result is always gonna be an option and itâs just up to host whims which i canât really catergorise without seeing what they would do (unless the Random is actually Random and not âArbitraryâ as used in botc)
carbonated - Eurovision Artsonist
okay apparently this quote is something carbon actually said? which tends to be the theme for most of these i think italyâs (and maybe icibalusâ) was just an exception or itâs somewhere i canât reach. it sure is a mediocre quote. (this threw me off for ~d1 since iâve not seen these quotes onsite but i do think most the quotes are something they actually said)
italics felt like someone gave up on justifying it at the end, but i think the first half was decent
this role is actually pretty cool i like the idea of a neighbouriser arsonist. think itâs best used at the end of n2 almost always though (unless you get enough of the FAM6 points to justify using it (iâm assuming the first action goes before the second) n1)
YoubutWorse - Guard Dog
i thought this quote was a parody of something ybw once mentioned but apparently she also said it. props to the italics writer for remembering ybw believes in anarchism
woah. bodyguard. iâve never really been a fan of those - itâs actually completely useless if youâre a strong player (and you do stuff but that tends to happen if you are), and itâs essentially telling you to give up your play for someone elseâs (who will probably just die the next night honestly). did make a sorta bg once but that was to replace an already existing bg so i have an excuse â also it let actually gave you other stuff you can do instead of bodyguarding, because i am awesome and actually design roles that will be useful for basically everyone instead of just 50-80% of people. and it let you pick 3 people without spending resources so hah. i understand why itâs here but iâm not a fan of them in general, and someone (me) did it better (scion empire) already (scion empire is just a way stronger role in general though).
Leafia - Cute Leafeon
quote is cute. do think thereâs a few better leafia ones though. italics bit is nice too
this ability is really not fantastic. you shouldnât be trying to take damage . the most relevant way someone takes damage is itaâs . also the actual abils you get for taking damage kinda Suck. best case scenario you ask people like the italy role to target you but thatâs still gonna put you at like 30%, and trying to proc that passive as a stronger person is just a Bad Idea. most people donât tend to take 40 damage unless theyâre about to die too, so itâs not like theyâll get it themselves after a reasonable amount of time. probably my least favourite role so far
Mistyx - Insight
image is funny
italics is okay
AC but a bit more interesting.
itâs more like an 80% strength of AC then youâd think because the AC usually picks in a pool of town people that are much harder to read (cause if youâre decently confident someone is wolf you just Shoot Them With An ITA). the FAM6 tokens part kinda does invalidate it a bit though. (and later on that entire part of the abil, hey itâs me again from the future they made universal basic income a vote which just makes that part kinda Pointless 95% of the time)
(itâs weird how the FAM6 tokens charge this role so much for so little as compared to something like italyâs role)
pigeon - Lego
quote is decent, but like the whole flavour doesnât really⌠attach well to the role? âthe same wavelengthâ does not count. italics is fine and a bit funny
woah itâs a mafia anti-claim that um. does not. really work. uh funny note with this role
You cannot guess information you learned through a mechanical revelation (e.g. public announcements, investigative abilities). If you get 0 guesses correct, learn the correct answer to a random guess you got wrong.
this means that choosing someone and getting all actions wrong is actually anti itâs purpose, since it then prevents you from vanilla-ing them! how fun! i have no idea how youâre ever gonna proc the second unless the person actively says it, 1st isnât really something you ever have to claim in a fam, and i guess 3rd is sorta fair for an anti. pretty darn weak though, to the point âChoose a player; they are roleblockedâ is just stronger.
Luka - Game Facilitator
the quote is funny but itâs better in those random dummy context. the italics is decent
i like the concept of mafia being extra informed on an event. i did think the white elephant timing was weird, actually other than that itâs a typical mafia event host. those are just okay in general. i like that thereâs no pre-set event list but thatâs prolly cause yâall were lazy honestly
meow - Gaslighter
I donât like poetry. Iâm biased against the quote. i like the italics bit, itâs a little cute.
woah another neighbouriser. so many of them have flipped. i ~decently like the idea, but the way the role is designed will probably mean it serves as a one shot âchoose a player. their active abils are vanillaâdâ and honestly not that much else. these mafia roles are kinda weak honestly. i see this is a low powered game but. this is the 2nd âroleblocker but worseâ
pandora - Lategamer
i like the quote
italics is a little lame (and kindaaaa untrue) but who am i to judge
hold on i gave my reasoning for liking this role somewhere
renako is decent because it gives a feeling of desperation: needing to stay alive to get a very strong benefit without having it right away. it rewards keeping a low profile with the strongest info town can reasonably get, encouraging a certain playstyle and a certain emotion to your gameplay: everyone but me can die.
(renako is the same abil as this role. hey itâs me from the future again arenât i nice to give commentary.)
yeah that sorta still applies but slightly less so cause itâs a mashhhh. i still think the role is cool though
bradland - draft picker
quote is alright. i do think itâs a bit of a misquote though (the " stops like halfway through it) first half of the italics is decent
this is a cool idea. itâs brought down by itâs execution. one, youâre not getting more than 6 by just the draft, and probably not even 6 either, itâs more than likely just. ~rand. so you have to supercharge it with the fam6 tokens for. uh. 10 armour (practically), and a last will. maybe if you succeed at the d1 mining event in the way hazard did you could get the ita but thatâs 1. weird and swingy and 2. probably just not gonna happen.
Note from around 1/5th of the way in
i feel like the roles are brought down by their power levels meaning they really canât do anything more than a basic role like a roleblocker/last will bearer/etc. maybe iâm biased towards higher power setups, dunno, but there does come a point when if thatâs all it boils down to, itâs odd itâs covered in bells and whistles that essentially only makes it 75% of the regular roleâs power
how do i compare this
like if i saw the role âIf you die, your flip is cleaned for a cycle. After that cycle is over, it is revealed.â (and had to keep this ability) this gameâs design would go âif youâve managed to get three+ votes on yourself the cycle before you diedâ, whilst i think it would be better to add an event host to it
(i also made it a backup i think. thatâs a real role from stellaris. i didnât make that hypothetical up)
ImaginaryNeon - Jolly Joker
quote is really good, italics is myeh. really like the integration of quote flavour and ability flavour
the role is⌠usable, despite the fact that mafia can clearly mess with it. I think the best idea is sending out an egg to gain 3-4 fam6 tokens, then spamming mid-game cops. the 3 is also ~decent but thatâs best used d1 by a hard town player and uh. you probably wonât have 3 d1 unless the mining event. strategy/usability is pretty limited but it does do something so⌠hurray.
iamagummybear - Best Town Player
quote is funny and ties well into role, and italics is decent.
the idea/flavour of this role is really cool. execution could be slightttlyyy better but overall decent
campaign/award outreach is basically the same abil that boils down to âif you are townread, gain charges.â which is unfortunate if youâre not, but i suppose you can call that a mafia skill. cite wolf/townplay kinda has a degenerate tactic of âvote a wolf day-1, then ita a random lhf town which is gonna die anyway on current day.â which is just. eh. will say that best all-around will only proc once unless you do everything exceptionally well, which i do actually like
mechsolve as an ability is just a generally weak ita thing, which you should (probably always spent 4-5 tokens on), which feels kinda alright. i think the mechanics to unlock it actually give to the ability a bit more than take away, and i like the mechanical essentive to keep nailing wolves. itâs overall decently above average.
Arctic - Priority Target
quote is good and ties into role well, italics sounds a little like arctic which is nice
this is just the dia role but better. the idea is that you learn who if they attacked a potential powerwolf, but they get a slight heads up about it possibly being weird otherwise. decent near-vt power level role, could possibly catch a strong wolf if the player notes itâs really weird
Gocj - Princess of the Parade
quote is. eh. itâs just flavour another host wrote
fort liesland⌠did get a small smile out of me
dunno how good beckon is? the concept is possibly good though, i think you can get a few things from it (i think since they use it the main other use of comm abils would fail, so itâs mainly for misc. stuff). parade of wonders is âdid your cop fail to soft? here you go!â which is okay. probably ~okay useful in a mash, but can be sorta useless if people play right. gracefully will just lead to the playpattern willow used, and uh. donât use walk with grace. like ever. it sucks.
Atlas - Schemer
this is a fan favourite quote, so iâm not too surprised itâs gotten in. i like it, obviously, cause I said it. i wouldnât say I led fam5 wolves to victory, my team did a lot of work. the neighbourhoods on n1 bit doesnât sound impressive if you donât include the fact i thought of getting a town player killed by another town player and poeing ~five other people instead of just myself into it. also i donât think i was even in the top five posters in fam5
i like dealmakers. theyâre cool. i also like abilities in which you can choose what you do with them. thank you for calling a fruit vendor lame i really appreciate it
3 is a neat reference, but the difference between 4 and 5 in power level is staggering . a one shot doc isnât worth 4/5th of a 1-shot sage. I canât speak to how useful the role is since i dunno what wolves can really do with the fam6 tokens (hey itâs me from the future again, itâs useful for geydeâs flavour, this part is good) but i imagine it does feed them more than they really would need, which would actually push usage of 1-3 on your own faction, which is cool.
although itâs mainly cause someone had to have it (and the way this role is pushed to be used makes it sound good so anti-claim gets hidden), iâll say the anti-claim is just standard. i know itâs weaknesses are meant to be covered by the whole pigeon thing (the fact that this anti-claim only works on the nk target), but pigeonâs role still does sorta suck.
Note on the puzzle event
im pretty sure that event is cheesable by making the answer multiple choice
you just make what the answer is way too hard to research
or obscure like song lyrics from a song with 1k listeners
reason the answer is multiple choice is so you can calculate the exact number of people you expect to submit, and make as many questions as you think would lead to 2 people getting it right
Jarek - "Neighborizer"
quote is funny, italics is old news (and also out of date since jarek isnât in the game), and also goes against flavour of when the game takes place
wow, that sure is a vig tied to a neighbouriser. wowza. funny thing with this role is that you just kinda have to sit with the consequences of your actions if you end up tring the person you picked. other than that itâs pretty similar to just a standard vig. do think the neighbouriser part kinda signals to wolves a bit too much
snow - Doublevote Gifter
quote is okay, italics is rambly
wow. that sure is a doublevote gifter. in a mash.
this is VT but more insulting
mollylikesorigami - Origami Liker
yeah I dunno what else you could quote for molly
italics is okay.
I really dont get why this role uses the fam6 tokens? it has like zero reason to, the best combo is almost always 2-2-1. and itâs not like youll ever miss out on getting them due to pleat fold.
itâs otherwise a fake poisoner/three cycle real poisoner. which I think could be neat. but you do each ~once before youâre expected to die
Hazardwaste - Dawn Office Fixer Sinclair
is it just me or do all of the limbus ones have the longest titles.
hazard apparently says this quote surprisingly often offsite. italics is a little neat but otherwise just okay
well I dunno what the sinner passive does yet. (hey iâm back i think it only does anything per the ishmael role. thatâs about what i figured, itâs okay)
doing mental mathematics (i didnt do any mathematics iâm just guessing) i think this passive (not the sinner one) will prolly proc earliest n4 (after the âyeah this will probably proc n1â) which is most likely if you just have fam6 tokens. otherwise itâs a roleblocker. think the idea is neat but itâs honestly not that different from one another, you rarely rb a kill as rber anyway.
Kiiruma - Power Role Cover
quote formatting like a 4chan post is ehhh. italics is corny
this role wouldve been better if yâall stuck to your guns and made it actually vt instead of giving it 5 extra ita dmg/5 night damage/flavourcop
instead you made it lame.
I pity you.
neil_the_eel - OGI Enforcer
yeah quote ties into role well. italics is okay
a role that directly interacts with rulebreaks, especially one that has (minor) kp, should not exist. practically, because of this, it becomes a really weird and potentially completely useless +1 ita, while also having the power to be needlessly swingy depending on who messes up
edit: upon realisation this is just a tacky âsemi-random ita shotâ.
jason.mrrown - Historian
quote is rambly to a point that it feels decently well as jason. italics is plaintext
I think roles that you design (kyor) are just inherently better of a concept than this, 'specially because you canât really say this is for balances sake because thereâs been some awful town roles run onsite. otherwise itâs okay for a âi donât wanna design roles todayâ role
wlwillow - Madds Buckley Fan
pretty sure quote is referencing a lyrics from the singer. in my infinite bias against folk? music iâll say itâs kinda eh. does tie into the role though
I hope [ash] isnât the italics writer because I would be upset about [his] writing skills
this is a really weird ita prot role. i will note this can just turn into negative util if youre not tr but a lot of things theoretically can
you can really only use the ita protect twice. since uh. if youre targeting people right they are Going To Die after you neighbourise them. iâm assuming you can use your âregain bird shotâ abil even if your bird is dead.
also you will probably end up with -ita dmg for basically the entire time the game has itaâs for almost zero reason
I get that you can theoretically use this to gain a bunch of dmg on someone you suspect (while you yourself are suspected), then swap off them. but youre going to die a: to town because it requires you being suspected or b: to your own ability, neither of which are favourable.
Amelia - Lasso Faust
quote is okay, italics is a little eh but otherwise fine
iâm trying to figure out the catch that doesnt make this role actively negative util to itself?
okay so 3 coin charges
2 rupture picks
starts with 2 coins
if this role is entirely accurate on who dies each day (no they wonât be), they
2 (n0), choose two people n1, gain six coin charges throughout d2. consume coin charges, leaving you with 1. your ita is now 6 (+4) on rupture targets
oh now I get it
d3 use your two itas on either of your two preselected targets to gain a total of uh. 0 bonus dmg. they both die, and you gain 1 haste charges with 0 coins left over.
you now do 9+6 damage, for a grand total of 15 damage on d4 exchange for your ita on d2 dealing 5 less damage. you total out to 0 bonus extra ita dmg on d4.
if you live to d4. you only get to positives on d5 (with 5 extra ita dmg), and thats only if youre perfectly accurate on who dies
this role is negative utility
I genuinely think you can fix this role if it just gains more damage way quicker. like have each fam6 token gained give you 2 dmg ita and each rupture kill give you like a ~5 damage ita. boom fixed. you donât even need the weird token thing. unless you really want it cause youre a freak but thatâll honestly be More Boring unless you split it into two 5 damage itas which. is just the same thing as each rupture kill being 5 damage ita but slightly more annoying to accomplish
5 is probably too much iâm gonna go with 4. and honestly your weird token thing might be necessary for fam6 tokens to not completely destroy this role if it gets like 4 off the patience event
starting from d2 if they hit every single Rupture and have one fam6 token added
d2 - 5 damage ita
d3 - one 5 damage 2 six damage, 17
d4 - one 5 4 six, 29
d5 - one 5 6 six, 41 (and one fam6 token)
keeping in mind that they. wonât. hit every single rupture. and probably wonât have the ability to pay to win it to get 41. a 29 damage ita on one to two days isnât really that gamebreaking and feels fair enough, and one 41 isnt like super swingy if they do manage to be impossibly good at it
what i expect to happen is
5 ita d2
either 5 ita d3 or 17
17 d4
29 d5
Chloe - chupie
quote is awesome. italics are lame.
I hate 3ps in mashes that are destined to lose
SirDerpsALot - Chloe-Only Vig
I feel like thereâs better quotes you couldve used that derps said about killing chloe?
italics got a snicker out of me
(I donât actually think the fam6 tokens thing extends marlunaâs life as written, I just kinda think itâs there).
as a suicide and treestump yourself role (which has happened twice in fam now I donât know why) itâs uh. itâs kinda funny! I dislike how these roles operate! especially since theyre only really useful if A: you being greenchecked and having a day remaining is more valuable than your life, or B: youâre a lhf whoâs fine to die.
Ruby - March 7th
uh quote is okay itâs relevant. I feel like this entire flavour (which ash probably had a heavy hand in) is a joke I donât get so Iâm not gonna really comment on it
kinda rough on scum to have odd night kp have a 1-shot bpv built in (even if its only for even nights), but otherwise role is okay
Geyde - Crunchy TTRPG Player
quote is kinda decent. italics proves the fault of planet folâs continued existence
oh so this is the role you funnel all of your fam6 tokens into. bit less than average power for something like that.
standard action is fine, but i donât really see the point in the third option. you only really do that if you have a vig youre expecting to be tracked, or a powerful role you donât wanna be rbed. as uh. a powerful role (in comparison to others) that doesnt want to be rbed.
I have really no idea why youâd use the 3rd action on movement actions. other two are fine
sorc bombs are okay
swift action is ~fine for a mafia invest
overall decent role! it can do a handful of things, but the whole fam6 tokens needing to be fed to it gimmick is kinda⌠needlessly added. itâs not that strong.
spookycat27 - spooky cat
(real creative name there guys)
italics is actually better than quote this time around
this is functionally a 2-shot vig with a mod poster attached. the execution benefit does not do anything unless the bearer (because otherwise if the bearer flips its lights out) parades it around as a fantastic idea, which is possible but uh. makes it a 3 shot vig. which. uh yeah.
Frostwolf103 - Playtime Employee
image quotes are neat but this is way less funny than mistyxâs one. italics. yup.
yeah that abil can theoretically do stuff if you play it super wisely. itâs decent. congrats. okay town invest in fam6. woo. yeah.
(i didnât really get around to why i liked this role. i think the cassette idea is A: cool flavouring, and B: a decent invest that while probably Wonât do Mucccchhhh, it has the possibility to over just âPick two players, learn which one is [X] moreâ
Chomps - Instant Claimer
whoever wrote this ability flavour is a fraud. this has happened a grand total of three times in recent memory (in a botc game)
loud protection, to the point that it announces that youâre the protector. thatâs fascinating . itâs⌠okay. you wonât uh. ever be doing protection stuff ever. but for the low low price of revealing that youre a protective you can stop a town leader from getting nkâd for a night. and get nkâd instead.
benguinedparbecue - Fanganronpa Solver
that quote wasnt even that bad pick a funnier one
italics is awesome (after reading through all of the game i think this is my favourite)
I donât actually know what the killing game hood was. like at all. but iâm pretty sure it wasnt really discussed so no mass itaâs were fired. nor do I know what the prize would be if the killer won the killing game. which uh. relies on the killer winning for one
(check soweli flavour for my thoughts on that role+this roleâs killing game)
Rhea - Witch Creator
quote is a nothingburger, italics kinda forces an idea but itâs a bit better
fam6 tokens in this game have so far felt a little underwhelming, to the point i honestly donât think much about the game would change if they Didnât Exist, and the few roles for which it matters just used their own currency. given most people also donât interact with this mechanic, this role is whatever
orangeandblack5 - Tryhard
(this title makes no sense) i feel like iâve seen this quote said by orangeandblack5 before but i couldnât find it. if itâs actually something they said mildly embarassing for them otherwise itâs a little funny? (it is something they said) italics is decent
this role is kinda bad. all it really does it give wolves an extra 10 ita that town has to disable (and apparently have to kill for parity) even if this role dies. (also strategiser i guess) which. why. itâs just being mildly annoying. also why for parity, in tjw this distracted town so much too and that one didnât even count. retract this comment if thatâs untrue though [iâm pretty sure this is true, hey this is post-game me again iâm using brackets this time because i used paraphrases a lot in this one]
meowl - meowl
quote is expected
italics is fine
5 shot vig i think?
donât consume shot n1 - 3
whatever n2 and n3 - 1
donât consume shot n4 - 1
whatever n5 - 0
yeah 5 shot vig
bit of a clever way to not have the vig proceed into end-game scenarios but other than that it is just a vig that can strongman twice.
Achromatic - Sensei
yeah quote is cool italics is decent
delayed doc is. kinda weird. cause if you can predict theyâre gonna get attacked in a night they probably could be attacked tonight too and hell you gonna do about it. (plus you might just overlap, made especially easy via this role). i see some possible things you can do with it but it is just a way less strong doc
lol - Timelooper
quote kinda ties into the role but in a way that is a bit forced italics is okayyyy
vengeful treestump. uh vengeful as a role can feel a little cheap. like if retro had this role in fam5 i wouldâve been a little upset. also roles that require you to be ita shot are Lame and just Donât Work for a lot of players
astand - Odyssey Host
quoteâs decent
italics is cool and ties into role flavour well
knot of gentanel took me like thirty minutes to understand and i was barely sure about it. i do think this is just a way less cooler version of those roles cause itâs only one person and the effects are. middling. at best. but it still. sorta works. (ehhhh)
note that 2/3 are positive and one is negative, and because it lacks the different targets the base knots have with each of their seperate abils⌠it can just end up being negative utility in the rare chance they get to do anything
Kyubey - Manipulator
quotes funny but kyubey is generally funny
italics is above average
this role is a little weird for a conditional vig, but as it goes most of the time you just select two people in the towncore who are probably About To Die and shoot at their behest, or pick LHF #13 that is super easily agreed upon as being a fine target to kill. think itâs a cool idea but itâd work better as mafia
Hippo - Troll Claimer
quotes eh. italics is good
this role is just a convoluted odd cycle strongwiller/even cycle rber (you can swap each cycle). iâm actually not the biggest fan of roles that functionally change how you socially interact with a game, since it makes it a bit annoying for town to read them? as far as i remember lissa got thrown under the bus a bit for the claimswapping which. if they had any other role would be valid reasoning. it feels minorly unfair for it to be unannounced in comparison to botc, where it is On The Script.
(clarified what i meant by âroles that functionally change how you socially interact in wazzaâs (flavour not person))â
katze - TRAITOR
quote is okay italics stole chloeâs joke about something arctic said in⌠2022. do you think i donât remember these things, May?
the 2nd effect on this role isnât really useful as folers donât tend to uh. use test shots. so theyâre just gonna chainsaw through that. i think the 1st is ~fine but itas are generally a townsided mechanic and for this to really do anything it has to be on someone town is at least fine with killing, which is normally lhf that town is going to chomp through anyway
Marluna - Vampire
okay i have a bone to pick with this flavour
what does this have to do with marluna. itâs a bit that revolves around zugzwang . you can try and hide it but thatâs obviously what itâs referencing. the quote is from that moment and the vampireâs will abil is just a spoof off that. marluna has her own stuff too!!
this is ~decent role that interacts with the health mechanics. the fact that this role sorta creates a buffer hp for you is. eh? you donât really wanna get shot either way so i donât know what healing does for you, but it sure is a neat concept!
thereâs not any flipped mafia role that directly deals damage at night for the concept to matter (besides the. 3 cycle 10 hp damage molly deals). i guess thereâs like. silent shots. but that would be less of an effect to you if you. had that hp. in the first place. instead of having to steal it. like itâs cool flavour wise but what does it do for the person.
(i didnât really mentally clock the 30 night damage. despite the fact that objectively the best part of the role. that does make this way better, 30 dmg at night isnât scoffable range)
Wazza - "Bus Driver" Backup
quote got a smile out of me, italics is eh.
iâm starting to think the role italics may not be something iâm favourable towards
okay like lissaâs role this can get a mafia player to go totally out of meta (say they donât really vote their partners) and kinda throw town off a little unfairly. which. okay i guess itâs mafia this time so itâs not negative util. still a teensy bit cheap.
iâm aware that randing cop in like a 9er does this too but youâre also a pr and thatâs more your problem than the villages, and not something that can realllyyy screw you over by getting executed for it unless your team is Bad (can happen!). also cops are usually announced in games or otherwise expected, and their actions depends on their knowledge of their own role, not what their role tells them to do. (hey post again iâm here to say that my opinion on this is âIf a role forces you to do [x] day action kinda loudly, itâs bad.â âIf a role does not force you but instead may influence you in a slight direction, itâs fineâ (like daeronâs role influencing them to be funny))
besides that i think itâs decent. mafia backup that can swap a few of their teammates abils when they fall out of usefulness/lose charges is good, and it makes losing an important kp early game not completely screw numbers over
Prophylaxis - Design Philosopher
I get that this quote relates to the idea but. itâs not really. interesting or fun or a coincidence or. itâs just there. italics is fine
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I donât actually know what each of the invest results do , but as mech oracles go this seems fine. learning the alignment setup can prolly screw a mafia claiming 3p though (postgame: if the lw flips early)
Silviu - Mediator
this quote is a little funny with silviuâs current pfp. do think thereâs better silviu quotes out there but I know them well
invest communications isnt really useful unless something like (the role willow got not is) is really obvious about it which. i guess can happen. but [willow] would know about it already. People donât really tend to claim doctor as mafia and not visit their targets in any way. same with cut the cord, doesnt exactly do all rest much.
Garfooled - Purgatory Host
yeah quote is okay. canât believe garfooled become the Judge of Hell though. kinda wild.
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mafia roles that give said role a bonus in itas tend to not be great, because itas are uh. an inherently townsided mechanic. mafia kills at night town kills at day that sorta thing? yeah so when exactly are people not visiting in this game i donât even remember a role that was passives only. so that is never gonna work unless you coordinate it with someone, in which case you could like. give them a 0% hit rate instead of buggering around with all this nonsense. +3 ita damage isnt worth the hell modifier itâs THREE DAMAGE THAT IS INSIGNIFICANT LET ROLES DO THINGS!!!
but i like the tradeoff between âthis person is going to not be protected tonight, but is tomorrowâ this role can have a bit more than I like it on the delayed doctor role. mainly cause this role is mafia
Ace - ...Gladiator?
assuming quote is (originally) from kamen riders so for that purpose its good italics is good
yeah this is just an unknown ability JOAT. the gladiator here is actually pretty decent, non kill rber is fine , blade is okay but normally you donât shoot in people who make 150+ posts. good abil overall unless an unknown abil messes it up
soweli - Mastermind
quoteâs good, italics is kinda a stretch of the truth because danganronpa 2 doesnât have a âin the groupâ mastermind, and zero escapeâs mastermind technically isnât a direct killer
oh so this is the killing game thingy for benâs role. so lets put them together.
i think itâs really easy for the killer to just be. known. or to be mafia (which kinda makes benâs role useless). especially because a mafia can and should be in the event due to the fact that soweli role knows the prize must be submitted on someone within. thereâs nothing stopping the killer, at the last second, from saying at the very end âhaha guys I am the killer!!!â and screwing themselves unknowningly. and even if everything goes right in the hood and the killer isnât found out and is town, the mafia can just communicate to benguined role about what they think instead of ben role seeing it themselves, which makes that part useless. (i donât really think this is a major flaw, but even getting to this point requires so much luck on the participants part for benâs role to be worth anything/the killing game to feel semi not completely rigged.) for everything to work out
- The killer must not be mafia
- The killer must not be voted out
- the killer must not talk about being the killer
- the killer needs to not be an obvious enough second guess for mafia to not just. tell benguined role whatâs going on
ontop of the fact that soweli is a town role which if clause 1 fails they may give mafia 2 vigs (and at least 1 unstoppable vig) by pure misfortune, itâs um. something.
Jane - Film Critic
i know jane has better movie related quotes. italics could be better.
this role is mandatory fam6 tokens, which it can just. Not Get. Which is already not great. uh strongwilling a semi-random person doesnât really do all that much. i guess if you target like a strong town player one night and they claim doctor it can do something? but thatâs again only if you get them, because this role hinges on fam6 tokens which isnât fantastic design. technically you can say this is âohhhh itâs a watcher so itâs strong on itâs ownâ but even if the person does die you only know who itâs between if you have left-over fam6 tokens. which you probably wonât have. and if you win that one event for 5 fam6 tokens it becomes swwwiiiiinggggyyyyy. woooooo. itâs just a really eh watcher, which is nearly arbitrarily useless or ~1-shot watcher level strength. it gets stronger as the game goes on, if thatâs any consolidation
Marluxion - Striver
bad quote italics is alright
this is technically a comeback vig but I ~sorta like it a bit more cause it incentives you living till like. when ephemera did. which is neat.
in total this can theoretically gain 15 (i think) charges, itâs either 6, 8, or 10 to kill someone, and starts with 7 so
22 charges max, 8 charges for standard vig, 10 for doubling up two fives (and probably combine this with 2 3âs), so if you were aiming for the highest possible killcount/time spent youd
do two fives (one 10 vig), and four threes (two six vig), I think. or uh two eights (two 5+3) and one six. (3+3). everything else is inoptimal, provided you do get the highest killcount you could feasibly achieve
in practice i think two fives and four threes is probably the best youâll get, 2 vig shots by n2 (if you uh. have the charges for it by then.) and maybe another if youre last one standing, you can do another combo if your team is better though. kinda an okay vig. im fine with it
actually on second thought 8+8 is ~better since you should have +1 charge n1 anyway to theoretically be able to score a kill with your role, so instead of 2 kills n2 its at best 1 kill n1 and n2 which most people will find more useful. dunno if iâm too big of a fan of the fact it punishes town for executing right d1 but ehhhh
(i excluded 6+6+6 because uh. youâll get it off earliest n6. and at that point you better be the last scum standing if youre still able to use this)
Daeron - Gossip Artist
Quote is good, italics is kinda iffy but is on the better side
Leak communications, as an ability, is a fairly swingy investigative. Although 95% of the time itâll do Nothing, the 5% isnât something I want to be around for. plus invests that do nothing 95% of the time arenât something iâm personally fond of.
I like how the modposter interacts with daeron themselves as a person, but as a role, it really is just a modposter that has to be focused on the referendum, a mechanic that people usually just saw and voted for the best idea on from the get-go, they didnât especially need this role to coordinate. whilst itâs a fun idea, it doesnât do all that much
Jaiden - Robothing
quotes fine italics is fine
1-shot temp neighbouriser with a 2-shot backup tied to it. criteria to get both is basically nothing you should have enough charges by d2 end to do both. and if you donât its not really a flaw to go dog cause youâll be so close anyway
yeah its okay. like the fact its 2 shot
Ishmael - Secret Extractor
okay. letâs talk about the flavour
Ishmael did not make toc. Ishmael doesnt regularly play toc. Sheâs only relevant to toc by the fact she made the discord server for it. SO WHY
this was a little obvious by the fact its decently a gimme for her (begrudgingly) and the fact she mentioned it before in toc. and also toc as a role works very well in mafia and iâm easier to design a role for/hosts like to do specific things with my role
I donât really have too much to say about it. the flavour is cool, the punishment is ~fine but for scum it can be a net positive because itaâs are townsided, unless they wanna out and ita someone in which case just tell ish the truth. as a gimmick itâs cool but as a role it doesnt really threaten scum in any real way, its just kinda an eh investigative
Squirrel2142 - Magic The Gathering Player
there has got to be better squirrel quotes. like i know if you really think about it it can technically be taken as really bad philosophy but for anyone who saw the original post itâs just
itâs like. youre trying to tie atg to mtg to fam but it just does not work.
this is uh. a pretty bad abil. youâre just kicking it down by making it depend on fam6 charges. the strat is probably oracle on moxen + lotus, then ancestral recall on them. for a uh. grand total of 9 ita dmg (if they donât use fam6 tokens for something else). big win!!! also you have to essentially out your role in order to make sure they do that. big win!!!
this role is so dependant on winning events that not really other roles i have seen so far are if universal basic income isnât picked, if it wants to act post. n2. i get itâs a gimme to go universal 95% of the time. but. come on. why even make it depend on fam6 tokens then. itâs just a mild bother.
itâs not a fantastic role, you have to do a lot for a not very good prize and itâs meaninglessly bogged down by fam6 tokens requirement
(also squirrel plays commander not vintage so all those cards arenât legal)
Catbae - Stranger
quote is good? i think itâs a void stranger reference so. woo.
italics is alright
this is a decent lw. i like all the little option things it has, and the way to decipher it. a few things i noticed though is that
thereâs a dayvig, but you uh. donât really know itâs a dayvig. so you can. accidentally waste a shot on a teammate. plus thereâs two alignment learning abils when only really one was needed, though i guess you can say a rolecop is a different enough thing.
my big problem with the role is, you guessed it, it depends on fam6 charges! wooo! fam6 charges! the neighbourhood proc probably wonât happen more than once, and whilst the mafia kill proc is a good idea because it helps mafia recover a kill, what if the mafia just assumes theyâre doctored, or if it happens when they already used a refill? keep in mind this is really similar of a concept to gabriel from tjw, and there when she was nkâd and were told â[her] shield has broken!â they just. attacked her again. although it is possible if someone was in that game theyâd recognise it. but uh. that requires knowing that game. i think as a concept itâs really cool but as it hinges on fam6 tokens it can just be kinda useless unless the role wielder is a pretty decent player who. plays a lot of games. and what it can really do for mafia heavily hinges on incredibly optimal play already (through itâs roleblocks, ascetisers, and rolecops all being best used when you have several known contacts on the mafia team). i think the role is cool! i just think it depends too hard on the player being The Best to even achieve a sliver of itâs potential through itâs constant desire for fam6 tokens
notblackorwhite - Mechanics Creator
quote/italics are okay
inactive entirely disables a role in a way i donât really like, and this really does hinge on them knowing what the abil does to make good use of it. cool concept though
strong-will being the only positive effect when it could just be a passive you learn is eh. and loud doesnât exactly work on passives either, so if you want any use out of your abil on someone you learnt a passive off of you have to disable it, which you might not wanna do if you were instead fishing for a strongwill
Marshal - Nice Reply Champion
quote is good, italics is eh and also âsubmission forma the Requests for Comment processâ
i like damsel-esque abilities in mafia. guess who made the masons for stellaris. me! if this is how you remember stellaris existed iâm sorry. this is just um. a +~8 ita. which i donât really think is worth the passive. insider trading can probably just be guessed by the mafia so it feels like a bit of a trap to use.
sulit - Homiecat
quote is fine, italics is actually pretty good
this is a treestumper. i donât like treestumpers, it feels like it takes away a bit of mafia kill agency. yuuuuup.
Apocryphal - HSR Player
Wowza! I wonder who made this role! Mustâve been Zone!
this quote is bad. i like the italics.
wow these abilities sure mustâve been annoying to think of. good thing i can just skim past them.
nanook is kinda bad but theoretically fine, lan is bad, xipe is bad, ix is okay if you want to counter garfooled flavour and do nothing else, uh does qlipoth last forever like a bpv if so thatâs okay otherwise itâs a whatsitcalled doc which is fine, yaoshi is okay, fuli is neat i like alias roles even if theyâre ultimately pretty eh, aha is probably just useless mech oracle which is fine.
wowza. this sure mustâve taken a while to design. letâs see what the other ability is, i sure hope itâs not contigent on OH MY GOD (itâs actually finneeeeee here though you probably wonât ever use it more than once, itâs not like itâs reliant on making every part of your role usable or something. haha.)
Potatocat - Alternate account and Beancat - Neighborhood
hey isnât it a bit odd to tie these roles together. whatever.
ice cream/chocolate is fine. i do like the idea of each of them being on a hunt for the other, itâs kinda like what i did with the uh. brokenshire siblings in shattered hopes. except in shattered hopes they were meant to either be kinda ignored or ally together, not having a killswitch tied to each of them to kill the other if one wants to clean through the poe. i donât really like roles with built in mechanics to die, and i really donât like roles with built in mechanics that die without them having great control over it. the masons in stellaris could just use it as a hood and stay super low on the radar. this is something thatâs gonna get figured out sooner or later most of the time, and something that happened to hazard here will probably happen.
oh also the beancat neighborhood thing is cool
Zugzwang - Bot Developer
Ohhhh so thatâs why he wants to wolfside all the time when he hosts
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Negative. I did not make any roles in this FAM.
(And I donât play HSR.)
(sarcasm)
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Awh. You know I canât read those.
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ok guys thank you for the anni mash see you guys again later
maybe in the next anni mash or maybe in a different fol game if someone harrasses me enough glgl
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can confirm it is the most traumatic quote that they could have ever put on my role
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hey so guess what i ended up doing twice (iâm bad gg)
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somehow my murder hood with jason that neither of us survived ended up being key to the outcome of the game though
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every earlier-dead player in dvc who hard towncleared ranta when she was alive: yeah it is actually just objectively correct to kill ranta at this point
living village: nah (correctly)
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as i pointed out in my player channel that role was an ASH ORIGINAL and by that i mean a role that was run in qbcord like 5 years ago slightly retooled for FAM
Iâm either blind or you forgot my (Lindaâs) role btw
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anyway this is why i didnât pick baud on n2, i figured neighborizing him after spending a whole day suspecting him would make it way too obvious what i was trying to do even if i was right
i perhaps overprioritized this factor but i do think it makes it remarkably less effective as KP (ironically though it proved very effective as a hood)
my mechanical play wasnât super great but i do have âstarted a wagon on wolf kpâ to rest on my laurels with. campeao do mundo
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Thanks to everyone for playing! If youâre interested in joining more games on FoL, we have a closed setup currently in sign-ups, looking for a couple more players:
And a mountainous game going into sign-ups tomorrow!
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oh thanks for the free advertising
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itâs about puzzles
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We won!
GG everyone, game was fun
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