i was impersonating
~g
1 Like
who is wolf gth? you don’t have to give reasons rn it’s late
im getting bullied in skool
(joke)
~g
brother u think ive been reading
ive been trying to finish my work
~g
1 Like
fair enough
gn
Part 1: Unpacking the carbon wallposts
they’re long, I’m picking the parts I think are AI, etc.
“sudden & out of nowhere” → “this is an excuse to tag onto catbae’s reasoning” → ‘I mean it’s not really towny’
these contradict each other
bonus thoughts about this post (long)
ok nevermind i misread this but we’re going for length in this section (i thought she was saying this proved the theory not that the theory was already proven, but this then lacks a purpose! You get a light offense and defense of the theory but neither of them are either compelling or resonant enough to strike me as significant & the dismissal is also irksome (though applying what I learnedTM about gummy maybe they just talk like this!)
I mean ok so first of all this is a solid 20 posts into the game there are surely more readable things about the game & in particular something like this is prone to being resolved. I’m not quite going to call this deliberate space-filling but it is close! I also think this is literally just night and day to how jason.mrrown treats the slot, carbon has a “two headspaces […] which is fun” while jason.mrrown ties it to the hydra being easier to read, priorities are different!
like i mean ok the TMI accusations do feel a little bit unfair here but when carbon is giving out free townreads in like any context it’s kind of hard not to. I also GtH expect more engagement with the content of the posts as well, as is her posts feel kind of shallow in a way i don’t think they were in april showers 4
I don’t remember if I made the post where I said that catbae is correct on unpairing reads d1 meaning not a whole lot especially early on without the context of what it means to your reads like wow there go 91 wolfteams so much is getting done
To pull my most important point out of that tag, carbon is meandering unproductively to end up somehow calling jason town despite the odds which seems more reminiscent of wolf with TMI than a town actually working with the posts
obligatory ‘soweli is nice’ section: this is kiinda neat, i am still principled ‘jason doesn’t make that joke as wolf, this happens and looks bad, we should move on’ but I do buy that carbon is actually unnerved by this & from where I stand that’s a unique enough thing that I don’t think w!carbon would likely think of making this post.
Ok I personally think this is funny because this is blatantly a “i am playing along with may to do a pressure hang” post so like… what is the deal here? One proposition is that v!carbon is just in fact really not wanting to get d1ed and that supercedes… reading. The other proposition, more sensible to me is that w!carbon is using this as an opportunity to project that ‘don’t d1 me’ energy in a way that also happens to get attention of any sort off of her & discredit the people voting her. Or option 3 she just misread for some other reason see the dia situation.
Peek into an alternate universe where carbonated’s catch-up is interesting, the most we get is
these which I did not register as being important at first read-through. Like I do tend to think having all of this thought process un-documented is a good look (Haven’t really updated this read in the abstract but the theory is that wolves like showing their work in thread to get townread & make progressions look natural etc.) but also when this is the only place where solving is happening it’s not as great.
Part 2: Hippo
Ok i started writing this and then realized I really didn’t want to it’s bound to lead to un-fun arguments take what catbae said or what I said about the catchup being so boring (the case was going to be that the shitposts weren’t good & hippo feels overly hostile if anybody wants to pick it up (If you do not, do not deliberate it)). Can’t wait for him to do more things. Note he townreads melatonin for little provided reason & agrees with dia ‘not great’
i mean closer to 18 posts & it’s not really about the amount of words into day you read but who’s counting. (I was also not particularly reading hippo off of wolf meta as much as his posting being bad. flopping fish seems accurate.)
This kind of sealed the deal for me; just shitpost nonstop sure is a nice way of describing ~12 posts that can charitably be called shitposts, with expressed intent to catch up, clarifying questions as to dia’s claim & meow’s identity, a claim that I assume was at least somewhat meant to be taken seriously, 4 posts about the kiiruma flowchart, there’s a dismissal to the playerlist as in ‘nobody was jumping out as mafia’ implies that presumably town isn’t actually solving & therefore just piled on the first person acting slightly out of line. which is just not how i would describe the thread at all. whatever this isn’t too compelling unfortunately.
(Checked meta a bit can confirm he was doing more in beatings 4 can also confirm he was posting better in uo2)
Part 3: Angryfrog
I also don’t want to do this funnily enough I anticipate it going not-very-fun-ly but unfortunately I have a more solid case
would like to start by going this is literally fine to the extent that i thought i had seen ~this exact post before perhaps by frog. It is 1 a.m. so I would like to bring up the contrast with beatings 4; in that game frog is more poking around (with reasoning) which (assuming i have the right frog) is what i’ve heard of his town meta & he has like. motivations behind things despite ~ lurking
with that being said let’s look at frog’s posts here
Kind of uninspiring question, there’s not any direction here but this is mostly here as a pivot to
frog just has it out for me I guess?? he’s postulating things that can be easily addressed and/or don’t have much to do with the game. Also consider the RSRO posts & the later vote on me. it’s a rather… uncharacteristic fixation, e.g. his push on frost in beatings 4 came from a place of reasoning on a ~macro-level
No real thoughts on the [melatonin] viberead town
Or really a lot of the posts, I could try and dig in and describe both the differences in approach to beatings 4 and how they’re generally wolfy as best i can but it seems rather. unfruitful.
This post has a good look to it but feels kind of vacuous? Hard to say for certain given nothing came of it but It’s hitting a sort of wolftell, especially in tandem with the following
crash-out of sorts. It’s kind of hard to explain & I am acqueising on the idea that I should sleep so we can call this CFTWR (i.e. frog is caught for the wrong reasons & is disproportionately annoyed at it, this kind of combines with the complete dismissal of the posts, not that they’re super strong but they are points that potentially merit a response, or at least could prompt interesting discussion, but then [SPK voice] w!frog feels entitled to being wolfread for the ‘correct reasons’ and when that’s absent they just kinda crash out)
i really don’t like this argument; can we cede to ‘nothing happens in wolfchat’ and in particular the 24 hour rule it does not necessarily matter but again there’s a complete refusal to even consider it to bring people to understanding
(in response to dia voting frog)
(calling dia town in response to… their readslist). I also REALLY don’t get the doomerism we’re doing (as in dia also does this) great imo & this just seems like an attempt to try to shake people off of the course without much in the form of alternative. Like it seems like frog’s ingrained this into his worldview regardless so we can talk about it hey what’s this post doing here:
first of all
Not what that post said! Like even under a reading to which frog’s response makes sense, you cannot just act like ‘showing initiative and trying to solve the game’ is the only feasible interpertation of your posts, many wolves in fact appear to be solving the game & so such a criterion alone is really insufficeint to show anythign, but it’s also about the methodology of it all?? And again I want to emphasize this is quite different from beatings play.
One more time for those in the back:
There is a notable continget of people who do not agree and can easily be mafia. If they are mafia maybe they’re bussing, trying to challenge the status quo for no reason & to little effect can also be harmful if the status quo is good, but you also have to consider regardless how you go about doing it, there isn’t much attempt to actually work with people and see where their reads are working & where they might falter.
I also think it’s cringe that he stopped voting me upon zero pressure, his reads are otherwise fine.
Part 4: Who else?
While I’m currently at this group having at least two wolves, there are theoretically 4 wolves and maybe I’m wrong! Places I would look:
melatonin (don’t really like their posts collectively)
tutuu/catbae if I’m right (they should be able to find these wolves & do more about it)
Kiiruma (consult the flowchart)
Places I would not look:
Eve (Like for real she seems quite towny, my time would have been better spent here I guess but I don’t even know how this happened!)
jason.mrrown
snow
(Everyone else who’s consensus town)
Post-Script: On my Towniness
Ok this is mostly a disclosure of biases I think both of these are terrible! I am also rather prone to wolfreading people for posts like these unproportionately & haven’t done the stats to back it up so I would like to respond to the allegations.
I think from an impartial perspective these are. fine. I am not playing similarly to my towngame => Reason to be wary; I would prefer you read me on the grounds of what I’m saying through which I (admittedly with bias) think I am doing quite well.
Frog’s wording does bug me more personally because the term ‘obvtown’ is thrown around with my play seemingly arbitrarily & it’s never been a tangible thing to fix.
With context of my meta i really don’t like these; I have kind of softened on some of this theory after a lack of direct external evidence but I can play in some ~distinct ways as town and so comparing me to AO4 when I am less directly trying to tryhard, in the context of a game that’s almost twice as big where i subbed in a not insignificant duration into day 1, to say nothing of real life conditions; the condition of ‘feeling towny’ is not something I particularly expect to remain constant.
(This is the section I’m most prone to regret upon sleeping but really I do not anticipate this going well, on the bright side I probably won’t be around for too much of the recoil besides last hour of EoD)
Tl;dr carbon/frog/hippo are literally meowted (but should also post more :cherryplead:), do not hang Eve
1 Like
that was. long but i think not excessively so. good night.
i like, just disagree lol
claiming things loudly and assuredly is attracting people down that path. and the “common ground” isnt actually useful to the game at all. its empty calories
you talk alot and plainly in a way that makes clear interactions with others i think. thats a rather useful trait
1 Like
jason mrrown… :(
but the thoughts were good meow
1 Like
can we vote tutuu until he talks again
meow
1 Like
You know i think I might like that idea
1 Like
ya they think im locktown
1 Like
sorry tutuu I am conflicted, and you will need to post to make me reconvinced you’re town
VOTE: tutuu
gummy please vote whoever you want at eod
meow
1 Like
can I ask what this flowchart meme is
oh is it this rip kiiruma
Yeah you’re probably town because you don’t have TMI about my alignment at all. The bad news is that your case was wrong but the good news is that you helped me find you town. IDK if you consider that a win but I’m used to being tunneled and I will consider it a win. Welcome to the town pile.
1 Like
I fucking wish I did. Do you?
I wish. Do you think you guys town told somewhere?