Frieren: Beyond Journey's End Mafia - Day 4 [11/17]

I mean arguments-about-EoD

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What’s the ‘simplest’ world here

I tend to look more at votes and wagonomics than people’s like, tone or rhetoric because I think most people aren’t actually that polarized lol unless they’re absurdly bad at lying

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I do understand lol and I have been on the other side of this as well; big-picture wise it’s easier and more fun for everyone (who randed town) including the hydra to sign every post as a habit in addition to anything else that’s different.

Townyfrog isn’t town enough for what??

Will I vote this person today?
Also in honor of Melatonin I am treating every single derp as hard townconfirming the derper

  1. Zone_Q11 → Soweli - Not before ELo
  2. Willow - Sure but she also derped yesterday
  3. Leafia - Not while she’s sheeping me, no
  4. Frostwolf103 - Eeyup
  5. Eve (lilith + pandora) - No
  6. Kiiruma - I guess? I won’t be happy about it, he didn’t even self pres
  7. diafiasco - checks role card again no
  8. jason.mrrown - Enthusiastically and with vigor
  9. tutuu - No
  10. beancat → Chomps - Not today
  11. AngryFrog - I’m gonna be so honest I think his derp with Melatonin was real lmao. Unlikely
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I mean i think people can be that polarized, but taking you at face value then there’s points to which wagonomics can be intentionally subverted. or things just happen that make them end up weird

snow (4): soweli, 36501, jason.mrrown, diafiasco
Willow (2): AngryFrog, tutuu
Eve (1): Leafia
tutuu (1): Eve
36501 (1): melatonin

Not Voting (5): Kiiruma, snow, beancat, Frostwolf103, Willow

like tutuu’s last post, voting willow, comes at this VC, has been hesitating on actually voting snow, and then comes back to 4/3 wagons 40 seconds before EoD with a laggy site where he kind of has to self-pres and do not much else. It’s also kind of hard for him to hard-defend snow here given mech because things look bad if snow flips over willow which seems too likely to make it worth it

snow votes tutuu for mechanical reasons because mech is kind of silly, it’s not that much of a stretch to say like ‘oh i think tutuu’s claim is fine’ & vote willow so i find the argument more compelling. There’s also some more weirdness as to hwo the claim was approached generally if tutuu!w

My thoughts on the counterwagons right now are that Kiiruma is more likely to be a hit than Tutuu but Tutuu is more likely to give information than Kiiruma

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you aren’t towny enough to evade being part of a massclaim should we do one

idk i’m just not* seeing jason wolf socially
the caveat being that qbcorders have been conflicted on him and they have infinitely more meta than me (& leafia’s seeing something?)

if i had to lock in a hang list until a wolf flip it’d be
kiiruma
tutuu
jason
Frog

and then we lose because this simulation includes nighttime

Did you get into why you trust leafia so much?

Wait where is willow on the reads lists lol

Why is willow in the town pile? They feel like a shape-shifting phantom. A will-o’-the-wisp

At the end of the day, melatonin ended up self-presing but admitted I was probably town and I didn’t end up self-presing because I thought melatonin was town. I’m intrigued by read lists that some people have posed, especially having me as a primary execution still with any confidence I am mafia.

If I was mafia, then by not self presing I risked a very viable world where I go over yesterday and I made my intent clear that I would not do so, a small bit before EoD when there was still plenty of opportunity for me to die. I am town, I believed I was going up against a second towny as main wagons and just felt lost as for what to do. And my reason for reading melatonin as town wasn’t for anything mechanical but purely an emotions based read from prior posts.

If I am still a primary candidate for death, do it sooner rather than later so I can see how everything gets worse from there without having the responsibility for having to try and put out the fire that yall are causing from going “We’re killing into all of the wagons because clearly that’s a good idea”.

No Soweli, I mean passing MY vibe check to vote 36501

Would have voted Eve (assuming Kiiruma also scumread eve) and have a three course coin flip

I wouldn’t be surprised about that, but since he claimed to stop Kiiruma instead of protecting Tutuu, its going to be perspective problem with unclaimed roleblock.

The weakest mafia role, but you know I missed the point he claimed Mason

I am pushing for 36501 and Willow for that yes. Besides early D1