I dont know what you are trying to argue with me over what Carbonated shoot, it’s Eve.
No but at least have comfort that you may be not going over any time soon.
Wrong, if I have to kick you out from the top of the hill and make you earn that place back, then thats exactly my intention. What you are doing is not solving. Instead of the entitlement of showing any pushers are 100% wolf, how about you work on figuring out wolf team outside Snow/Tutuu wagon EoD2.
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I know I dont like it myself do it to you.
@diafiasco can you explain why 3484 is clearing for tutuu again?
this makes sense to me, since snow was softing town rber. From that perspective, bc snow claimed to rb kiiruma, then the rb on tutuu came from elsewhere, likely the wolf rber, so tutuu would be town. This assumes tutuu is telling the truth, bc he could be wolf and lying.
From my understanding, there are two ways to interpret eod2:
level 0: snow was trying their best to self pres onto t!tutuu
level 1: snow was trying to spew w!tutuu clear
if the wagons were w/w, then wolves had a real dilemma on their hands. Do they save tutuu, who is the stronger of the two players, but is prone to being sussed out of paranoia? Or do they save snow, who has the better role?
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Willow I can imagine. Beancat/Chomps is explored because of Hippo’s mason claim. Which is why I am considering Soweli as Willow’s partner.
ElizaThePsycho (4): Frostwolf103, diafiasco, melatonin, tutuu
Eve (2): Leafia, AngryFrog
tutuu (2): Eve, jason.mrrown
Kiiruma (1): 36501
snow (1): soweli
(This is after Carbonated shot Eve and before Jason declare Willow is threadspewed town)
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VOTE: Willow
am I right about this then we can pursue Soweli after.
i just realized something that might be clearing for me. i dont know if it was discussed already
i was RBed n1. if i completely made it up, that means somebody else was RBed n1 by snow. however, the mafia wouldn’t know whether or not that RBed person would receive a message that their action is blocked. because, remember, all actions receive feedback if they are successful or not. i publicly claimed i was RBed on n1, at the start of D2. (possibly?) before snow started softing roleblocker. i dont know when did they soft. if im mafia, and i lied about this, i am putting myself at risk being CCed by the actual villager PR who got RBed for no reason, in case another villager PR actually got RBed. the only guarantee mafia could have that their n1 RB target is safe, is if they know that they RBed a VT n1. but they can’t know that, unless they BOTH jailkept AND investigated the SAME target on N1. however, that is unhinged. it’s a waste of resources. as mafia, you spread around your resources to try to hit multiple Town PRs. i’ve literally never seen mafia do something like that
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You did claim your action failed before Snow had a chance to claim he roleblocked Kiiruma, by sole purpose that Kiiruma softclaimed PR.
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not a gotcha by any means bc ik players in this community prioritize their own reads over others’ legacies but. yeah.
also i think meow cleared tutuu for bad reasons unfortunately
i think w!tutuu would absolutely do this in order to win
looking back at tutuu’s actions, i think it just makes so much sense if he’s a wolf
d1: the early vote on hippo and bus
d2: the repeated insistence that one, if not both, of willow/eve is/are wolves, the continued refusal to vote snow and insistence to switch the wagon to willow, and only voting snow at the last minute to self pres
d3: being fine with jason/melatonin and then kiiruma/melatonin, and basically sheeping qbcorders and soweli to push melatonin without having to get his hands dirty
d4: pushing another villager in me
VOTE: tutuu
I usually do it regardless of alignment — I’m not saying you organizing your information this way is wolfy. Sorry if that wasn’t clear
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Who do you reckon is paired with Tutuu if he’s wolf? Someone super inactive?
I am okay with Tutuu being the counterwagon, if only because I am willing to accept that I have this game topsy-turvy and if I do, w!Tutuu would be the most impactful to future reads. However, if Tutuu flips town Jason you are basically out of places to deflect to
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That being said, I want Jason to claim today so he is committed to a claim. Across however many games, I think there’s a statistically significant correlation between being one of the last 2-3 people to claim and being wolf (because wolves are interested in seeing the overall landscape of the game and fitting into it)
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if tutuu is town then i will live with the consequences
In my opinion, no it has to be between leafia and soweli. Although you can argue Willow is ‘inactive’
Claim is mandatory, I agree.
this is not that convincing to me bc when you claimed your action failed you immediately assumed kiiruma was an ascetic, or that wolves targeted kiiruma to make your action fail, not that you yourself were targeted. being rb’d isn’t the only reason why someone’s action can fail
I’m a VT ^^