I feel that, we have time, u can respond later if u want. I do want responses at some point tho, i dont think my Qs are bad or unanswerable at all.
i’ll try to get them to you sunday, no promises though
frog why are you town besides EoD2 wagons
36501 was claiming every night not even night ftr
they were actually a 2-shot tracker (@diafiasco )
#reading
If i allow myself to tunnel a little, 553 looks absolutely damning from the perspective of tutuu/leafia w/w. It feels like tutuu is trying to force a townread that’s not there at all
hm. why couldn’t this just be w!tutuu TMIing leafia
This is possible too, im just a little tunneled on w!leafia lol
I think you’re town and I ~generally think Leafia is town can we talk about this besides leafia seemingly not having clear reasons to push you (which is also what kiiruma was saying)
I’m curious because I don’t think ‘giving clear reasons’ is really anything one way or the other for Leafia’s meta and I generally think that she does believe in her reads well enough, though I am possibly biased on this front given our reads haven’t been too different
Yeah sure
I get that she’s in her town meta (which is why i townread her previously)
I’m just a little paranoid that she could be trying to subvert meta deliberately by claiming vt and lowposting the first few days
And her view of the game has also been really narrow imo which i find wolfy, pushing eve d2 and gunning for melatonin d3
I’ll have to reread her d1 bc there might be something there with the interactions regarding hippo
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tangent: talking about meta i think chomps has continued to get generally better given the metaread I did on him last game & his play relative to april showers forlorn, I want to know where other people stand on him now (& ideally would like to talk with him more but I don’t have high hopes for his availability & solving WIM)
I mean based on how I’ve seen leafia’s meta described both by herself and others this seems rather unlikely; I don’t think a narrow worldview is out of character for her town meta but you’d have better luck checking that with anybody who has a better view on things but she is generally prone to tunneling from what I remember
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ok i’ll be real i’m lowkey hoping leafia and tutuu both flip wolf so i look like a genius for proposing the entire team d2
very much not helpful if i want to solve the game tho
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no I understand I was admittedly in part the same way d2 with my solve but I have been #humbled
@Eve lilith hi can we talk sometime where are your reads rn especially with melatonin v flip. Also if possible is pandora available to come in and talk about leafia some given she’s a wagon rn
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There is a balance to be sure and I’m more likely to press too hard by temperament when space is needed; i try to mitigate this but it is my proclivity.
Here is a specific justification for why i believe being tough on everyone can have positive consequences:
In a recent completed game against scum team niphredil, enmond and mini (? an alt dunno who) steam rolling the town i managed to get myself nightkilled despite having no clue wtf was going on and not even being present on the wagon that killed mini. The scum team were getting paranoid about my comments and their paranoia escalated into killing me the night before lylo despite my actual solve just being 2 villagers. Apparently they wasted time discussing my shit posts too and reading into it way too much so I see value in pressing a bunch of slots simultaneously in a gamestate where it seems p reasonable to suspect scum are beginning to get more cozy. I know 2 scum slots down isn’t conducive to getting cozy but I don’t want the last 2 to be able relax and regain their composure during a bunch of TvT violence; i want the last 2 scum slots to suffer and then die.
Yesterday marked a turning point where i did not have intuition to guide my solve and as i could be brought to lylo by scum as a liability to town i thought it could be +EV to give everyone a hard time (to some extent) going forward. That said there are some things I need to hear from different players today and if it’s easier to get an answer out when they don’t feel like I’m pressuring them then I can go along w/ that too.
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@AngryFrog
more questions that are coming to mind & should be helpful to finding you and solving if you’re town:
Why is it that you didn’t end up with a on-wagon vote for EoD2/EoD3/most of EoD1 (i think)
Why willow? you brought up her being away EoD2 when voting her yesterday but is there anything else? Why do you think people have been hesitant to wagon her if she is mafia?
also nyaa
what questions were you referring to here
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my reads are :(
@hosps beancat is in the vc still
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Considering how much I’ve been incorrectly run up playing forum mafia I’ve had a lot of time to reflect on this and I’ve come to a very specific belief:
“He who represents himself has a fool for a client”
I feel like the reasons to find me town that seem compelling to me prob won’t be persuasive to you and it wouldn’t mean much coming from me anyway (they will just get quoted later and be used against me for “being defensive” blech.) IMO it’s best we find someone we both trust to an extent to write a town case on me and answer some of ur Qs and that has a better chance of being productive than me just town casing myself.
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what’s the deal with tutuu can he still be scum?
what do you make of this townpile
Soweli if you want i can give a more philosophical defense of frog’s playstyle to help you understand it better in a bit