GOAT^2 - Game Thread (5/15) - Day 6 - Mafia wonnered

cats are spiteful more than clever i think. still very cute glad you saved them

this quote is very villagery lmao

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aint there no way vulgard and marl is w/w that play is too high level for either of them imo

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what’s your opinion on vulgard/magnus being t/t or w/w

I agree

I disagree with this bc ive p much said exactly this but to marl but its worded so uniquely imo I think it comes from town

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kingtroll is the most obvious town this is awesome
My thoughts on the ISO of vulgard is that vulgard still rings as scum to me, their actions still don’t make a ton of sense to me and that ISO pointed out things I didn’t notice and also forgot. Also, again, kingtroll still super fucking town

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idk both seem mildly towny

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Later when I have more time, I am going to look at a past game I played with vulgard and compare, but I won’t really be able to right now and the only times when I will be able to do that is gonna be like during EoD so :P
and im like SUPER busy tomorrow so I won’t be able to really do almost anything with thread at all then

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This is kind of hard to explain without context but it relates to the previous game we played together where I gave Marl the exact same treatment but I was nightkilled before I could actually push it through. I guess it’s possible I mistakenly changed my read on him because he OMGUSed me but I find that town AI from him unfortunately. In regards to Silviu I simply don’t have a read there and while I prefer O. Kazo I don’t actually mind the Silviu push that much at the moment so I’m ~okay with Marl having his way, if he flips a town I get my wolfread tomorrow and if he flips a wolf then great. If he’s a wolf then obviously I’m making a huge mistake here but like I said I think his reaction to me was unfortunately town AI.

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Silviu and O kazo both feel like MLs to me on pure instinct based on wagon movement. I don’t have that same feeling about Vulgard but I also off pure instinct think it’s a bit of a strange vote that has the potential to kill a strong townie. This post is bad and unproductive but I just woke up and I need to play Splatoon for an hour before I can think.

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i’m going to not comment on the rest of the post because that’s obviously outside context / stuff i’ve already said i don’t like

do you have a case against silv yourself to justify your vote or are you just going off of marl’s case on them

And, for the record, the KingTroll push was not true or false. I had a null read on KT at the time, but I also had a null read on everyone else in the game. It was just a quick way to 1. see if everyone else thought my best case on him made sense, outsourcing my read, and 2. see how a wagon on him moved. I don’t have any takeaways from it right now; I’ll have to check future patterns of behavior. My reads are ever-changing (until I’m right, at least).

I was getting a scum ping from Min all day yesterday, but… I don’t know how much of it’s leftovers from last game, and I also misread Min as scum in the Morbtainado game, so I am a bit nervous about that. Dunno. If I truly and deeply believed it, I wouldn’t be sharing it.

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what player do you think would be the best option then if you’re against all the current main wagons instinct wise

I… don’t really know, which is why I said my post was bad. You know how it is with early reads.

Something I haven’t given proper thought to (and really should) is the usefulness of everyone’s flips, which is usually my top priority this early in the game. I’d probably go for the person with the best combination of scumread and connections, but I haven’t figured out who that is, so…

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In regards to me backing off Magnus I often find that my strongest wolfreads are typically villagers and the wolves typically form a combination between the people who I’m wolfreading less and the people I cleared for kinda weak reasons. Looking at the current situation from that POV makes me think Marl could potentially be right on Silviu, I could be wrong on Magnus, and I could be right on O. Kazo but since Silviu exists in a similar spot I am okay with him going as well.

In regards to people I cleared for kinda weak reasons who could also be wolves for that, there are Eliza and Molly - but one thing worth noting about Molly is that she’s treating me completely differently than she treated me last time (we were V/W), so either she’s going for a completely different approach or she is just of a different alignment in this game. As for Eliza, on the other hand, I initially found it very towny that she verbalized a Magnus/Marl read that was kinda floating around in my head but which I didn’t put together; obviously, because I no longer think that world is super likely, the reason to townread Eliza is gone and her giving those wolfreads could be opportunistic. To be fair I’ve never seen wolf!Eliza try to overtly pocket someone by agreeing with their reads, usually she just goes UTR, so I don’t think this is a good reason to suspect her but still, my main reason to townread her is gone. Fwiw if Brad is a wolf then his weird townread on her in the early-game is worth noting but idk if it actually means anything.

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yeah i get it. interested to see what you come up with though

alright i suppose. do you have like a common reason to think that those people are wolves or are you just flipping your scumreads to town reads mentally

i do really appreciate you giving some attention to eliza/molly though. still want to see what you think of lol if you’ve got an idea on them

This is probably v indicative for Vul. Scum don’t usually take it that personally when a read of theirs is dismissed.

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Why is Silviu an obvious ML Seth? Use your words

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The latter.

I honestly have no clue and I don’t know if I can read him accurately. My gut pings him as mafia but I don’t have an actual reason to suspect him. This goes either way and if I were to approach this through reason I would say lol is town because my gut feeling is probably wrong in this instance.

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If this slot lives past day 3 we are literally throwing

Pretty good odds of all three of us being town I think

If I’m wrong on one of the three and there is a scum, it’s exactly Magnus