It differs per site and player base, but in this site it is my opinion that normally players don’t lie about their role. (As host, this typical behavior more often than not leads people to their demise.) The only ones who are exceptional to this “common sense” are either already dead (i.e., Luna) or not in the game (e.g. Rhea).
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Dunno about you, but those “few posts” resulted in more progress in terms of wagonomics than the twelve hours prior to their creation.
I haven’t bothered reading the details of the arguments since most of it seems to be meta-related. (And by “most of it” I meant “spooky’s argument” because Litten’s P#1240 is deadass too long for my low attention span.)
Hell, I didn’t even see any arguments from Ishmael beyond “there doesn’t seem to be anyone better” at P#1242. (Which, goes against her own statements at P#1042, but I guess opinions change.)
Don’t forget Marshal. Warrior Cats anyone? Giggles
Heading out for now too. 
wagonomics shamonomics
I’m sort of worried about the current game state. I feel like everyone is off in their own world, which makes it so that no matter if we flip a mafia or a town today I think we are going to be in a bad spot if that continues. I think it’s important we start forcing every person onto the same page rather than letting everyone do their own thing, and force discussion about disagreements, in order to iron out what we think is true, so uh, I’ll start
Explain this. Why does it not make sense for a villager - scratch that, explain why that doesn’t make sense for Kel being a villager.
Explain this. Why did you think these three people deserved the most attention out of everyone in the game? Why is Chomp uninspiring this game?
Not sure why I’d have yo explain that a villager would be very unlikely to tfy to make something that’s null at worst sound wolfy. Then he never explained why he seemingly thought town wouldn’t do that.
I need to get you onto the same page, or for me to figure out the exact page you are currently on, that is why I’m having you explain it.
This post is what you are referring to, correct?
[quote=“Litten, post:1270, topic:12809”]
Yes it is. See how he claims he finds it null and even uses a towngame whsre I supposedly did it and yet voted me?
It just seems to me like it’s coming from a wolf afraid of a villager becoming confirmed.
A lot of people have trouble understanding what people are actually trying to communicate in text. What he is saying is that from his memory, you are playing in a similar fashion to both your town games and wolf games and that most of your posts are null because of it. I don’t think this is a bold claim for Kel and I can understand the perspective, can you understand that perspective?
Further, the post states that because he saw you do a similar post to try to clear yourself with your claim in your most recent town game, you would be inclined to try it again as a wolf and that the post sketches him out - pushing him to believe you are mafia doing this again.
I think it would be prudent to realize that he presented his reason in an interesting way, he presented his reason as backwards, even though in his mind he was presenting it forward. I think it would be easier to read this post if you read it from his perspective:
This leafia post sketches me out. Why is it sketching me out? From memory she did a very similar thing to what she did in her town game. It’s reasonable for me to conclude that she would do what worked for her as town, as mafia, which makes me think they are mafia. I read over all of her other posts and they also seem to null as she posts like this as both alignments.
Read the blurb above, then read the post below and realize what I said is probably exactly how it unfolded. The first part of his post is even him thinking he caught something, with a sentence that stands outs implying he worked backwards.
While that does make sense if you think of it like that what he hasn’t explained is why he doesn’t think I’d do it as town. If something is null, it means they can do it as both alignments. Not that it’s wolfy for them.
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I don’t think he cares whether you would do it as town, what he was more focused around was the fact that your post sketched him out, and he needed to figure out why it sketched him out and realized it was similar to your FAM game. I don’t think he put so much thought into it that he “deduced” you wouldn’t do it as town, just that he could see you do it as mafia and the post is sketchy to him and thus - the post was made.
And he wasn’t calling it null, he called your other posts null
I could be wrong on the last part,
but this implies he thought your overall posts were null
And, the thought of finding things null until he finds something he can understand, or at least believes he understands, is extremely consistent, even on day two, which I find really funny and indicative of him just being town. He called all your posts null but found a post that sketched him out and that he could properly explain to himself and think is good and post it.
It’s, so consistent if you try to understand his perspective.
And also leafia. I’m not trying to be a tyrant. Help me understand if I’m wrong