Ice Cream Mafia - MAFIA VICTORY

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Day 1 Votecount 2

Hippopablompoyeetus (3): Leafia, tutuu, Zone_Q11
Chomps (2): potatocat, Magnus
I_like_posts (1): Chomps

Not Voting (8): jail, childe, Frostwolf103, Marluna, Camilleon15, Creature, Hippopablompoyeetus, I_like_posts

[tutuu]

My current guess for the team is Hippo, Chomps, snd somebody who is neither Creature nor the hydra. I dont townread Creature and I dont particularly townread the hydra, but just a hunch. Somebody we arent talking about like Chameleon or Frost, or maybe somebody who has fooled us and is receiving townreads. Oh childe is here too

[tutuu]

Sorry for not replying to a lot of stuff i havent sat down “officially” yet. I just saw Hippo doing war crimes itt and I had to talk about it

[Marluna]

@Zone_Q11

There’s no reasonable reason as to why you wouldn’t want to be part of the group as either alignment.

1. I hate being protective.
2. I am constantly in PoE? Checkimg me would be more beneficiial in my Pov, than deciding who to protect.

[Zone_Q11]

@Frostwolf103

There are doubt casted in Luna regarding the opening posts, borrowing from Tutuu’s perspective he is forgiving on Luna’s faults, I wouldn’t put Luna as pressured player being in list entrusted to protect

Well, you said it yourself. tutuu “forgave” Luna (though I feel like he just dropped the matter; it’s not as if Luna did a crime) so she is no longer pressured.

This is an odd ideology though. Why wouldn’t you put a “pressured player” on the Chocolate list? Heck, you were the one who came up with the idea of putting “whoever survives between ILP and Chomps” into the list!

@Frostwolf103

The difference between Luna, ILP and Chomps is that Luna isn’t on chopping block, so just you know you assume to tell me about being pressured, that Marluna would need some more pressure and not entrusted to protection list until then.

Your grammar makes little sense, and I am someone who heavily depends on grammar to understand English sentences, but I think I understand the gist of it.

Essentially you just want more pressure on Luna, right? And until that happens, you don’t want her on the Chocolate list? Well, considering both you and Luna herself don’t want Luna to be put in the list, I guess we can replace her with someone else. (Not ILP or Chomps though. In my opinion, those two need stay as Vanilla.)

@Frostwolf103

I look into ISO from protection list and not from search engine, also yes. You answered yourself whom the opposition is.

Which that leads to me in conclussion there is a form of objection that doesn’t seem noticeable in first glance

Frost, what the heck is your logic?
From what I understand, you are saying: “Three people are townreading X, therefore some invisible force must be scumreading X!”
…which is nonsense.

Ugh. Questioning other players’ logic will get me nowhere. Let me ask this instead: Do you scumread jail?

@Frostwolf103

Leafia is sharing potatocat’s though regarding Jail, Chomps however is not what I have looked into yet when I made this post, since he is a wagon and not in protection list.

Okay, so you have confirmed that those two are townreading jail, and you didn’t find Chomps’ P#128.

@Frostwolf103

Although Chomps is barely scratching the top of the surface reading jail as town,

Wait. You didn’t find P#128, so how did you come to this conclusion? Where did you see Chomps “townreading jail”?

@Frostwolf103

so actually haven’t found anything relevancy that leads to my read why jail shouldn’t be selected as chocolate. It’s kinda the same that jail has some doubt like Luna.

Luna getting some doubt is something I can see. I disagree that she should be pressured further because the initial “pressure” is not something noteworthy, but in general it isn’t a bad idea to pressure everyone in the name of reaction test.

However, the same does not apply to jail. You are basically saying you have no reason as to why you don’t want jail in the Chocolate list. You say that he is “pressured, just like Luna”, but I don’t see the pressure. Who pressured jail, Frost?

[Frostwolf103]

@tutuu

My current guess for the team is Hippo, Chomps, snd somebody who is neither Creature nor the hydra. I dont townread Creature and I dont particularly townread the hydra, but just a hunch. Somebody we arent talking about like Chameleon or Frost, or maybe somebody who has fooled us and is receiving townreads. Oh childe is here too

Although I insist, what is the bad feeling in your force (intuition)?

[tutuu]

We can substitute Marluna for Zone in the chocolate list theres no issue

[tutuu]

Trying to explain gut is hard / impossible :P

There are some things I struggle to explain that make me think those stuff. It also doesnt feel to me like the team is Hippo Chomps Creature/Hydra. The last slot feels out of sync as the 3rd wolf partner (for this exact team) . I think they would have been panicking way more and tried harder to be towny. If they are mafia, the third slot, i think its with some townread people, which is the reason for their calmness

Hippo felt cornered / scared to me, so I think he makes sense with Chomps

[Frostwolf103]

@Zone_Q11

Essentially you just want more pressure on Luna, right? And until that happens, you don’t want her on the Chocolate list? Well, considering both you and Luna herself don’t want Luna to be put in the list, I guess we can replace her with someone else. (Not ILP or Chomps though. In my opinion, those two need stay as Vanilla.)

Yes

@Zone_Q11

Ugh. Questioning other players’ logic will get me nowhere. Let me ask this instead: Do you scumread jail?

I don’t trust Luna and jail in the list because they have negatives despite being town read, this does not mean I scumread either of these slots, rather these need more social pressure and leave it to flavor test cop.

I don’t mind having you in chocolate list and protect within the list that are generally town consensus

@Zone_Q11

Wait. You didn’t find P#128, so how did you come to this conclusion? Where did you see Chomps “townreading jail”?

Actually that is the scratch, sorry for the confusion, that alone doesn’t mean anything to me.

[Zone_Q11]

@Marluna

@Zone_Q11

There’s no reasonable reason as to why you wouldn’t want to be part of the group as either alignment.

1. I hate being protective.
2. I am constantly in PoE? Checkimg me would be more beneficiial in my Pov, than deciding who to protect.

I’d argue that Frost is the only one who has you in his POE. (Though my memory may fail me; if there is anyone else who you think have you in their POE, please do tell.)

But. well. I can’t exactly force people to do something they don’t like, so… Yeah, I guess you can stay Vanilla.

@tutuu

We can substitute Marluna for Zone in the chocolate list theres no issue

To be honest I kinda also don’t like being Chocolate. Even if I magically get confirmed as Town, I still wouldn’t want to be Chocolate since choosing whom to protect is… It makes me think, which I already don’t like. And then comes the burden of responsibility in case the heal fails, or doesn’t hit the kill target…

Like, I’ll do it if I have to, but if it’s optional, then I’d rather stay Vanilla.

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…by the way, now that I think about it, didn’t @potatocat say at the beginning of the day that she wants to stay as Vanilla? Hey potatocat, what are your thoughts of being put into the Chocolate list?

Are you willing to be Chocolate, or do you really want to stay as Vanilla?

[Zone_Q11]

@Frostwolf103

I don’t trust Luna and jail in the list because they have negatives despite being town read, this does not mean I scumread either of these slots, rather these need more social pressure and leave it to flavor test cop.

I understand that you don’t want Luna and jail in the Chocolate list.

I understand that you want those two to be “looked into further” (preferably by the Neapolitan).

I understand what you mean by “Luna has a negative despite being townread.” (I disagree with the idea that this negative is enough reason to put her out of the list, but I can at least understand your thought process.)

What I don’t understand is: “What is jail’s negative?”

[Marluna]

@Zone_Q11

I’d argue that Frost is the only one who has you in his POE.

I’m not talking about this game specifically.

Unless I am confirmed, I’m usually end up in the PoE as either alligment in most of my games.

[Frostwolf103]

@tutuu

Hippo felt cornered / scared to me, so I think he makes sense with Chomps

Mhm, I felt that when Hippo calls out Zone. Like a snare trap…

Chomps at one hand, is struggling to get reads across and currently pressured to do that.

[Leafia]

Possibly.

@Hippopablompoyeetus

also zone hasnt been towny

Please explain.

@Zone_Q11

@Hippopablompoyeetus

also zone hasnt been towny

Death sentence.

VOTE: Hippo

Lowkey saying that Zone/Hippo aren’t w/w here.

@tutuu

We can substitute Marluna for Zone in the chocolate list theres no issue

I can agree to this.

[Marluna]

Yes, you probably would do that.

[Frostwolf103]

@Zone_Q11

@Frostwolf103

I don’t trust Luna and jail in the list because they have negatives despite being town read, this does not mean I scumread either of these slots, rather these need more social pressure and leave it to flavor test cop.

I understand that you don’t want Luna and jail in the Chocolate list.

I understand that you want those two to be “looked into further” (preferably by the Neapolitan).

I understand what you mean by “Luna has a negative despite being townread.” (I disagree with the idea that this negative is enough reason to put her out of the list, but I can at least understand your thought process.)

What I don’t understand is: “What is jail’s negative?”

P#365 -

@Zone_Q11

@potatocat

@jail

threadstate is very good.

tinfoil of the day - there is only one wolf at most that has posted.

This is villagery imo.

Question: How?

@potatocat

they’re not already suspected they want to use their cred to suspect villagers. Jail wasnt suspected so there’s no reason for him to say the entire thread is villagery as a wolf imo. Unless he wants to secure townreads on his teammates. Maybe he could be a wolf with tutuu.

@Leafia

This suspicion is something that I’m finding to be villagery.

The words from potatocat and Leafia makes me believe they would have been more vocal about jail not belonging in chocolate list, so I decide to speak it from my words, it’s not I am withholding, though them two are in chocolate list themselves, I do trust their intuition whom I pick off small detail into my read, that jail should stay vanilla for now.

[Marluna]

@Frostwolf103

There are doubt casted in Luna regarding the opening posts

What? Where?
I misread the OP, and the only argument there was that misreading the OP is NAI (both from me and Leafia). How that shows doubt from any participant of that conversation?

[Frostwolf103]

Tutuu is willing to forgive and put you on chocoate list, he would be bit harsher and not let you go in that list.

Not able to vote in protecting is not a bad decision for your end, despite my early agreement on PoE list for taste test.

[Frostwolf103]

Unless of course the taste tester says otherwise with the result, I have a feeling that I am not willing to speak yet.

[Marluna]

@Frostwolf103

Tutuu is willing to forgive and put you on chocoate list

He has reasons as far as I can tell. (I see, where his read came from, I just don’t necessarily agree with it.)