You have low thread presence. If you did that, then I don’t remember in the slightest.
can i… do a little bit of sitring.
from what i can see the only two “Tp’s” are myself and kinda zone correct?
I am me. Get me out.
Frost claimed to have been bled and has interactions that could be partially confirmed by Kii’s claims and jail’s statements.
Kii has interactions that could be partially cconfirmed by Frost’s claims and jail’s statements.
Chomps seems to be confident about himself being Arbiter, and if he is evil, then Daeron already made an edge case specially made for him.
Remaining claims (ver. 2):
- Canping
- Hazardwaste - Herbalist
- Achromatic - Chancellor
Hazardwaste’s claims aren’t being supported by anyone else’s claims. (Not that I am any different.) Achro’s claim only supports Chomps’ claim.
And @Canping is struggling to exist.
As far as claims go, yeah that sounds about right.
I’m pretty sure I can almost pseudo-confirm Frost as good based on Frost’s N1 claim matching jail’s N1 check. (Still not sure what to deal with his N2 claim though. In the end, was I redirected or framed?)
As for Kii… I think I see a reason why he is getting pressured. If we want to use faith as argument, then I’ll trust Kii’s good as well.
If I was framed, then it implied Hazard was N2’s faction kill, which by extension proves Hazard as good. The issue is that so far nobody has claimed anything that could have prevented his death. I was protecting canping, and he was healing Frost.
On the other hand, if I got redirected… the faction kill’s target is unknown, but as far as claims go, everything would be solid. (Yeah, but that one “unknown” is the very thing which confuses me the most though. This is probably what other Unseens also think.)
Maybe I’ve been too focused on the living, forgetting about the dead. pandora couldn’t do anything. beancat was responsible for one of the three claimed errors. Derps…
His passive could explain why there was no faction kill if he was the target. Except it wouldn’t make sense for him to be the factional target since he was the general consensus’ top suspect.
His day ability just gives him an alignment check; it isn’t very relevant to others’ actions.
His unlimited night ability lets him frame, and his 1S night ability lets him tailor a flip with strict conditions… (Well. At least we know Derps’ flip wasn’t tailored by Angel. After all: Derps was not executed. He was shot.) ((We… should probably beware of his 1S abil Today though. There is a non-zero chance we might see some weird ****ery.))
Okay, so… his main night ability is framing players. Except we don’t even know who he’s been visiting. (You’d think he’d holster considering his Page claim, but… there’s nobody to confirm his actions or inactions.)
I already explained that Hazard should have died if he framed me. (Unless Hazard lied and self-healed, but that’d mean Frost’s still bleeding, and that’d mean this game only has one TP and one occassional TP-izer, that being me and Jarek.)
…and the investigatives would’ve seen Frost if he visited Jarek. So, at least I know Derps didn’t visit me, Jarek, or jail at N2. (Not jail, 'cuz otherwise Rowen would’ve seen a Killer instead of an Investigative.)
…ah ****. Frick my cursed knowledge.
Apparently not even the Investigative duo (Rowen and jail) are confirmed because of Arbiter’s ability to fake visits as fake roles.
This bloody Arbiter can…
- occupy or redirect another player without fearing their action will fail, because they have occupation and redirect immunity,
- learn who visited the aforementioned target,
- perform the faction kill at the expense of losing their manipulation immunities for this action,
- appear as an Unseen role (albeit this one is determined once),
- perform fake visits each night,
- survive an attack at night once.
…what the heck am I supposed to do with this?
It’s a bloody miracle carbonated managed to eat the N1 kill.
But one of us would have to fake visit as fake role and also know the that other person visited and their accurate type of role — or is that how arbiter works?
Oh I see yeah
can arbiter do all those things at once 
Well. jail’s claim came first. He did say you visited Jarek, which is information Arbiter couldn’t have gotten on their own unless they occupied Jarek. (Except we already know Jarek wasn’t occupied.) ((Unless both of you are evil and lied about visiting Jarek in the first place.))
Okay, so jail’s credibility as Investigative is solid, but what about yours? You confirmed his visit much much later because you “missed it”, and your claim only confirms jail existence. Compared to jail, you are more likely to be Arbiter if there is an Arbiter among the two of you. (Realistically though, I don’t see HoB giving the Arbiter class to Kelsier. Like, it just doesn’t make sense.)
…I feel sick. This paranoia of mine is covering the edge cases, but it also opens worlds to that I wish stayed closed. (Because now I have to take more information to account.)
ok in the world i am starting surgeon. wants the point of that being in the game at all if bleeds cant be healed anyway and the only protection is you.
also it can be supported
Do you have thought how this is made possible?
I get it, the paranoia
it was boring being so confirmed anyway 
but in a way I should also be not likely to be arbiter since I’m obv new and ofc I missed what he said having just joined
I responded to him as soon as I saw him ping me but he didn’t tell me his actual invest results and I still have not found that
I didn’t even know what arbiter was until a couple hours ago
also from my perspective I really did get results that an investigative role visited jarek and I still have not found where he said I visited or what else he determined
also you yourself told me not to claim until I was about to die and I was being careful
I’ll link you my response to jail in a separate message
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Well beancat is occ immune while doing anything other than killing
oh tbf Jarek can make people be able to heal bleeding. but idk the pure specfics of that