Last Stand of the Virtuous 5.5 [Jarek Redux] - BD/Decadent King Win!

[Hazardwaste]

@Daeron

If you are Fanatic and unconverted my question is why have BD let you keep your gun unless they have something to protect themselves, stop it or redirect you
And if they don’t, why didn’t they convert you

my conclusion from that is at least one of the town KP roles is BD OR they went for something a little less risky but still valuable like +1 KP from Frostwolf

in general i can kill more town then evil if i dont control my actions.
its why i heavily considered to holster last night (before i realised what the king fucking did and shouted at jarek for letting me being in a state of panic for 5 hours)
last night it was actively negative town to use my nightly

[Hazardwaste]

and also if last night you knew without a doubt that your convert would go through. i would convert if the confirmed role duke or find Catbae’s pupil

[Daeron]

@Hazardwaste

and also if last night you knew without a doubt that your convert would go through. i would convert if the confirmed role duke or find Catbae’s pupil

that’s why I full circled right back to Kelsier

@Daeron

the fact that the candidate list is increasing makes me circle right back to kelsier because that makes converting kelsier less risky than “lol its just the prince hang it” when you have a selection as if you’re eating out of a quality streets box
unless one of hazard & frost started as bd which would negate that point but then it’d be good to hang into that group anyway

[Hazardwaste]

@Monke

Soweli has been killed due to inactivity.

they were:

Flip

The Duchess

Unseen Investigative

Royal Blood (Passive) - Each election vote for you for King Election counts as 2.

Bat Eyelashes (Night) - Learn your target’s class type grouping. Class type groupings are as follows: - Infinite uses

• Killer / Offensive
• Special / Investigative
• Social / Support

Dark Wisp (Night) - Learn if your target has attacked another player over the course of the game. Includes tonight as well. - 2 uses

Defeat the Blue Dragon or Hand of Byzantium.

this actively fucking hurts btw.

also wasnt the Unseen meant to kill twice last night?

[Hazardwaste]

wait unseen killed the king? shouldnt their have been two night deaths last night

[Hazardwaste]

outside of soweli being inactive

[Daeron]

The buff only affects Heroine, not the factional kill

[Hazardwaste]

@Monke

If the BD/HoB eliminates the king during the night, they are granted a boon or a debuff depending on the starting kings alignment. If the king was Unseen, then they gain access to a double kill the following night. If the king was Purified/Righteous, then the Unseen investigatives are guaranteed to succeed and gain true info during the following day and night.

@Monke

Fall of the Tyrant (Passive) - If you are killed by the Hand of Byzantium (or Heroine ), then the Hand of Byzantium may use their factional kill twice (or the Heroine may act twice) the night after.

Ugh

[Hazardwaste]

so soweli’s death which we had no control over is just town punishment

[Hazardwaste]

thats just so fucking lame

[Daeron]

“sudden change to solve” in action btw

I posted about this yesterday I think willow even confirmed it was supposed to affect BD’s factional too but jarek has ruled otherwise

[Hazardwaste]

i still think this passive is stupid. just gives us more reason to just not have a king

[Daeron]

While backreading to find the Willow comment I also found this

@Daeron

I’m just a little disappointed you didn’t choose me as your pupil

This was me softing having used Guest List and not seen any factions visiting me (ergo, catbae didn’t heal me, and therefore didn’t choose me as a pupil)

[Daeron]

obviously we know now catbae intentionally didn’t heal their pupil but that comment was just after catbae claimed Senex so I didn’t even know who catbae had claimed to have actually healed yet

[Daeron]

@Frostwolf103

@Monke

If the king was Unseen, then they gain access to a double kill the following night.

Are you meaning to tell me this is only eligible to the heroine and not factional attack function when the original Heroine dies?

@Daeron

@Monke

If you are killed by the Hand of Byzantium (or Heroine ), then the Hand of Byzantium may use their factional kill twice (or the Heroine may act twice) the night after.

The condition is that 1. The King is killed specifically by the Heroine and 2. That only the Heroine can utilise the double factional

@ElizaThePsycho

it SHOULD be just the factional, isnce literally every otherm echanic thati nteracts with factional counts heroine too, idk how that got messed up

but

found it

[katze]

@Hazardwaste

this actively fucking hurts btw.

yea its buns

on the other hand having an afk slot sucks for the game itself so i dont blame hosts

@Hazardwaste

i still think this passive is stupid. just gives us more reason to just not have a king

tbh i think its mildly interesting to give the wolves a reward/punishment for hitting the king correctly but yea

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im looking at convert roles and like objectively the most useful converts of the alive players are kelsier (duh) frost hazard and maybe me (but i hadnt claimed until today. and also am not converted)

on the other hand the two ppl who convert into maid are both very unlikely starting BD so like idk how much i can really discount even that

[Hazardwaste]

@katze

tbh i think its mildly interesting to give the wolves a reward/punishment for hitting the king correctly but yea

i feel like have the shot to become an evil king which is strong on is own is enough reward/punishment. but thats an after game talk :P

[Hazardwaste]

i dont think we should be looking for converts just yet until we are pretty happy where the OG bd is.

[katze]

yeah im primarily thinking about starting BD just saw daeron talk about how you’d be a good convert or something and started wondering how true that was

[katze]

i guess in some sense there’s a solid chance that frost could be converted and a solid chance he could be starting BD, just objectively

deep down i kinda dont buy it but feels like the name i need to look at the hardest

did he ever answer why he gave kelsier the gun?