8 i get exed 7 5v2 no bleed kill one dead 4v2 we exe a bd 4v1 theres a convert and kill 2v2
What am i missing here
Hmā¦ Actually, now that I think about it:
You are unlikely to be starting BD. Starting BD wouldnāt have a reason to claim the bleed on me, and even less of a reason to heal me.
I know I am bled, and since I didnāt die N3, then that means that someone healed me. catbae didnāt claim to have healed me AFAICR, so it must be just you, since you were the only one who claimed to have healed me.
If you were BD, then you could have claimed you were occāed or redirected.
At worst you would be BD convert, but not starting BD. Which means that your claims prior to N3 are legitimate. Which means that whoever attacked Atlas at N2 will still die at N4. Especially since we killed the only healer-claim (i.e., Chomps).
ā¦but all is still lost since BD can still convert if we mis-exe Today. orz
Also, the bleeding starting BD could still be healed by catbae if the N3 convert (or the starting BD) was catbaeās pupil.
ā¦huh. I am missing data. @catbae, what did you do at N3?
Hosts didnāt put up conversion cooldown on OP
Its not written there I mean
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Waitā¦ Doesnāt this just always confirm Hazard as Unseen? (Oh. It also confirms catbae as Senex. 'Cuz otherwise itād imply BD didnāt use their 2nd kill at N3, which is a suboptimal move that never makes sense.)
ā¦hm? Then, out of curiosity, @catbae what did you do at N2?
Donāt jinx it
Yeah so this confirms i am starting unseen at least.
doesnt necesicarily confirm zone like i thought.
@catbae if you could ancient tonic me tonight that would be awesome
Who is starting BD?
- Is not me 'cuz I know my own role.
- Is not Hazard 'cuz N3 protected.
- Is not catbae 'cuz Senex.
- Is not katze 'cuz
[REDACTED]. - Is not Kelsier 'cuz Duke.
Frost, pandora, Daeron.
Following katze, I donāt think itās pandora.
Starting BD is between Frost and Daeron.
The activity checks out.
Who were attacked so far?
N1 Rhea (prot. by Chomps) / Frost (prot. by catbae)
N2 Atlas
N3 Kiiruma, Hazard (prot. by catbae)
ā¦if the N1 attack was Frost, then itās just Daeron. Otherwise, if itās Rhea, it could be either of them.
ā¦eh. In hindsight it could still be pandora. Nothing of her recent posts look towny.
Kelsier (2): Zone_Q11, Frostwolf103
Not Voting (6): catbae, Kelsier, pandora, Hazardwaste, katze, Daeron
VOTE: Kelsier
I need to sleep i wont be awake for EoD i am sorry.
If this gets hammered run down the people who hammer this.
please discuss convert worlds.
I think Kelsier is the most likely as the duke claim.
thanks for coming to my ted talk
Herbalist, ???, Duchess, Heroine, Marchioness.
ā¦odd. This quote and Atlasā will imply itās katze.
Atlasā attention were focused on neither Daeron nor Kiiruma, so killing Atlas would only decrease the number of people incorrectly defending the starting BD.
See, the most painful thing about this āstarting BD huntā is: It doesnāt matter, since theyāll bleed out at N4 anyway.
The only BD with bleed-immunity is Physician (i.e. Herbalistās convert), but we have confirmed through Daeron and catbae (and the missing N3 second kill) that Hazard is Unseen.
So really: We are just hunting the N3 convert at this point.
Chronomancer can delay bleed death by two nights, that is enough to outlive its usefulness
oh
cool setup (i think i realized that earlier then forgot becauseā¦ ugly)
If Kelsier is Unseen (and gets mis-exeād), thenā¦
EOD4 - 4(+1)v2
SOD5 - 3(+1)v1
Uhā¦ This is taking conversion cooldown into consideration. Without cooldown, itād be 2(+1)v2.
Anyhow, if cooldown exists then weād still have struggle room at D5. (But also, I think this means that D5 would be LYLO.)
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Chronomancer converts from Timesnatcher or Minstrel, and so far we only have katze who claimed the latter. The issue is: katze claimed Minstrel Today (i.e., at D4), and the conversion happened at N3. BD couldnāt have known there was a way to delay the bleed.
ā¦unless you mean to say that katze is the starting BD, which is something I cannot believe due to uh. āpersonal reasonsā.
theres def a conversion cooldown even if the OP is stupid and doesnt say so
i think this is technically not 100% confirmed but im considering just letting it go because if hes the pupil then idk if theres much hope in winning if hes BD lol
if i were converted last night id probably have claimed a different role altogether ngl
not like i have actions to account for 
catbae confirmed Unseen-siding Senex, 'cuz else where did the N3 second attack go?
D3 Daeron claimed Frost and catbae belong to the same faction. (N1 1-use parity check.) catbae healed Frost at N1, which also makes Frost appear as Unseen regardless of Frostās actual alignment.
If Daeron is evil, then heās starting BD and therefore Hazard (catbaeās pupil) is Unseen.
If Daeron is good, then his checks are true, and therefore catbae (whose alignment follows that of Hazard) is Unseen-siding.
What if the bd didnt have a second kill