Last Stand of the Virtuous 5.5 [Jarek Redux] - BD/Decadent King Win!

A second replacement is required.

@Geyde @Nightingale

Amelia (4): pandora, Atlas, Kiiruma, Daeron
min (2): catbae, Zone_Q11
Zone_Q11 (1): Frostwolf103
catbae (1): ElizaThePsycho

Not Voting (7): soweli, Hazardwaste, Kelsier, Rhea, Amelia, min, Chomps

cursed game

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uh i had the wild ass thought that tailoring meme and killing him here is useful if soweli is mafia and scum wanted to discredit a voter - maybe were too worried frost would be docced

that’s kind of tinfoily but random thought that entered my head so i might as well post it

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That’s possible I guess. Other than that I don’t think the soweli wagon has much to be read into here because of the main wagon already flipping town

it’s a random ass thought and probably not real but i just figure typing out every crazy thing i think is useful just to show i am thinking about the game

i think the main person who would think that is you, my friend

i think only me you and maybe kii gave a public townread on him

Kiiruma - The towniest of town, I don’t know how you can’t read this serious gamer. Has been doing some mech talk, trying to do a bit of reads, nothing too strong but I’m going to try and improve. Overall this slot is LOCK UNSEEN and hopefully others will realise that at some point. Yes I know I can be converted, yes I know wolves might look at me and see ā€˜2024 best mech player’ and salivate at the thought, but I like not being in the ā€˜Kiiruma always evil in conversion games’ era.

Kelsier - Kelser’s early posts were kinda nothing posts? This being the follow up post to this post and these being some of Kelsier’s earlier game related posts is somewhat concerning. It was 30 posts in and that amount of fluff to then say something weird is ehhhhh. I like how Kelsier had questioned why people were on me early-ish D1 but it was more of a question than any form of defence or opinion which I would have liked to see. I think despite Kelsier’s slot being so big, Kelsier’s kinda been trying to not draw too much attention and is just trying to keep on… Everyone’s good side which feels weird. I think some of the posts have been fine but considering the fact this is a top poster and a lot of posts ping me badly this is Null, lean Wolf.

Min - The slot early on gave a town read on Amelia and Kelsier but I want to know more why because at the moment they’re relatively naked reads. This is one of the more interesting posts but it doesn’t really tell us much about Min except Min being slightly relaxed which is a good look since Min doesn’t play as much of these games as some other names in here and I’d think if Min is wolf, Min might look a bit more stinted and nervous? As a result Min is a Null, lean Town. It will be nice to be able to see more things to analyse when Min is less busy.

Frost - This is the first noteworthy post of the Frost ISO I’d like to discuss. Within it Frost actually says about Meme being towny because of voting Hazard off the bat which feels like a bit weird considering the BD flip on Meme now. A decent bit of the reads further to this felt like they weren’t trying to solve too much - 6 null reads, a town read on the flipped wolf. I also think Frost has said some things which don’t make sense to me namely whatever the heck this is. I think Frost’s posts have been so weird that I think W!Frost would be more self aware? But I don’t know if I’m giving Frost too much credit here when he is ā€˜2024 Best Town Player’ and these posts feel wacky. Frost being so weird and semi-wolfy due to it but being almost too weird means I have to leave this slot as a True Null

Zone - As much as the immediate claim annoyed the fuck out of me, I think Zone’s pretty towny for it and despite the fact Atlas correctly pointed out about this not making sense as a claim, it doesn’t change how it reads for the slot. I think Zone’s posts involving Meme starting here (Zone made a post, Meme responded to it and Zone responded back) are pretty fine, doesn’t look too paired. Further to this I agree with this take of Zone’s regarding Frost’s read list regarding Zone, the read on Zone was somewhat pocket-y when compared to other reads which were lacking. After further looks at Zone’s N1 I think this just further reads as true and Zone’s been relatively towny throughout the ISO thus far so I’m not surprised this happened in retrospect. Zone’s my Top Town considering all this.

Amelia - This post by Amelia feels a bit weird, yes it’s a relatively RVS vote so it’s not something to read into strongly but I think considering Amelia’s opener of ā€˜I CC King’ the fact that the first decent bit of Amelia’s ISO is multiple nothing things in a row is something to keep an eye on. Amelia made this discussing the differences between the factions and it doesn’t really say much alignment wise, the one thing in Amelia favour here is the discussions of how to combat the teams but I don’t think W!Amelia wouldn’t do this or anything. I think Amelia’s discussion regarding ā€˜slots Amelia might want to wagon’ just feels very passive and like Amelia is trying not to draw the attention of others, which feels somewhat wolfy? Plus I might be biased but Amelia somewhat had OMGUS against me which is always hard to read as towny. I’d argue Amelia is a Null, lean Wolf considering the fact Amelia’s ISO has had a decent bit of hedging and trying to avoid the spotlight, I’d want to see more from the slot.

Willow - One of the biggest things which pings me about Willow is not liking multiple things which involve me which means I recognise I am going to have some biases here. Willow’s side comment of Chomps/Me W/W and Willow’s weak vote on me further to this felt like Willow was trying to just draw some attention and be like ā€˜Hi guys I agree with you, let’s vote out the mechanical player’ which is EHHHH. I like this start of an exchange between Willow and Chomps as in the end it feels very much like a town member just facepalming and then trying to get another person to realise what’s going on afterwards. I wish that Willow had more proper reads early on, as the only one of note on D1 to me in the ISO is the one of Catbae here and it’s aight, nothing too noteworthy. I dislike how Willow was quick to jump to conclusions about the whole Meme flip since we don’t know what went on there, but considering multiple things I’ve seen in this ISO that I’m choosing not to ISO I think it’s consistent with what Willow might be considering. Willow is Town Lean, better than null but nothing strong enough to go for Moderate.

Soweli - Now if you look at these posts with intricate levels of detail you realise exactly what Soweli is claiming to the point where Soweli doesn’t even need to say anything else, it’s pure genius. Soweli honestly is just Lock Town and that’s not even a question. In all honesty… what am I meant to do here? Soweli existed for less than the hosts have existed and I’m used to T!Soweli being more active so naturally I’m a bit suspicious of the slot and would go for Soweli being NULL, lean Wolf.

Pandora - Pandora’s been a vibe read for me early on but I think that Pandora has a few posts that are pretty decent too. This feels like something which W!Pandora wouldn’t post because ā€˜I plead the bleed’ is a really weird thing to say and people could side eye it otherwise. Pandora further to this had a relatively early and correct read on meme (Assuming a lack of tailoring is going on), I’d probably have wanted more depth but :man_shrugging:. I also think that W!Pandora doesn’t ā€˜forget to vote’ which is slight town points. Pandora is Moderate Town and I realise that considering it’s a combination of vibes and some things I’m reading into perhaps more than I should be that Pandora should maybe be lower to others but idk this is my vibe read of the wall.

Catbae - One of my biggest qualms with catbae appears early in the ISO here as it feels like catbae is saying Chomps’ behaviour is suspicious but instead of voting for it here, Chomps just says it and leaves the RVS vote on me when otherwise it sounds like they have ā€˜stronger’ things than the naked vote that was placed on me. Further to this catbae said this regarding meme which feels like a weak attempt to just having meme as someone catbae likes for future prospects? Catbae has also attempted to ā€˜consider worlds where the flip is false’ and build from there which I don’t fully know how to feel in the end, since it could easily suggest a pairing between Catbae and Meme but I think the more recent post here isn’t going to be made by a W!Catbae because Catbae would rather just leave the meme discussion in the back and work on integrating himself within town’s ā€˜trust circles’, as a result catbae is Town Lean.

Hazard - Hi Hazard. Yes I know you’re suspicious of me when I just say Hi and only that so good luck :heart:

For my Assuie mate (And anybody else who wants to)

Actual Hazard ISO: I think Hazard’s early posts regarding his reads on me feel natural. I don’t think he’s like ā€˜super towny’ this game but he’s overall been ok as I’ve commented on earlier today. This is something which I like from the slot as it is good progression from Hazard’s earlier read on me and explaining about how he sees my slot and understands my ass is… Always more wolfy than it should be x3 I do think it’s interesting how Hazard said he was relatively confident on reading MKP but had them as Town at the time, I don’t think W!Hazard does this about a teammate particularly early based on experience with him so he’s probably unpaired with meme and presuming a true flip, that would mean Hazard is semi town. Considering the reads he’s made on me and his relaxed nature this game as can be seen multiple times in his ISO, Hazard is Moderate Town to me at this time, I do think his posts are also within his Neutral range, considering last game, not turning anybody against him strongly, but not really drawing too much attention.

Atlas - I think Atlas is towny. I’m thinking that the paranoid king thing actually comes across as pretty pro-town since it encourages TPs to be elsewhere whereas W!Atlas can make them be more split up amongst other targets. I also like the questions Atlas has been asking to others including myself. But considering the fact Atlas is a King, Atlas does have a HIGHER chance to be on the evil team than an average player by a considerable margin, I’d say Atlas is Town Lean to me because the reads have been decent, the mechanical posts have read as good too but I’m not going to neglect the fact that statistics should make me cautious regarding this slot.

Rhea - Let me preface this by saying that Rhea is a very strong player and I treat Rhea a bit more harshly than I do for some others. I think that Rhea’s posts early on were quite towny for the most part but I remember that I’d somewhat disliked the change up within one post here. Rhea’s burnout means I’m not able to be too confident on the read in the end but I liked the most recent post by the slot since it covered the wagons and gave some weak-ish thoughts and I think W!Rhea might have pushed agenda there which it doesn’t feel like happened? Overall Rhea is Null, Lean Town but I wish to see more from this slot and I hope Rhea recovers because stress is a bitch. RL comes before the game.

Daeron - I have to admit I really like this by Daeron because I don’t think I’d ever imagine this coming from W!Daeron this early on, especially considering it’s shortly followed up by this. My biggest issue is I feel like Daeron could easily be trying to pocket me and I mean it’s working lmao. This feels like a more natural way of reacting to the flip of meme which doesn’t feel like it’s attempting to push agenda or a wolf crying internally but a player being like ā€˜WTF is this lol’. Daeron is Moderate Town but I could easily be clouded at some stages, I think that I want more depth on some of Daeron’s reads this game but other than that the slot feels so relaxed and natural and I think Daeron’s a less confident wolf so might be less ā€˜overtly towny’ there?

Chomps - I’ve stated this once, I’ve stated this many times. I struggle to read Chomps SO MUCH but I think that Chomps’ things with regards to the King early on were fine, I think Chomps might not really make the comments as much as wolf because Chomps would want town to be killing bigger threats than a (maybe Town) King. I need Chomps to post more reads with more depth but I don’t think anything has actually pinged me as off in the ISO quite yet so I’m giving Chomps a Null, Lean Town read due to my lack of confidence there.

My Top Town is Zone, closely followed by Pandora. My Top Wolf is Kelsier??? Genuinely so many null reads (and a few low-ish posters) makes things hard to parse for me.

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:saluting_face:

giant wall of text
i’ll disect this later.

VOTE: Amelia

Feel free to, do bare in mind this is a… 12PM - 4AM wall :upside_down_face:

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don’t worry just pretty sure you’re evil off of it and i just want to know who your partner is

colon and right parenthesis

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Spoiler Alert: It’s Meme and you and… oh wait I wasn’t supposed to say this out loud.

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lockscum

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tell me what you think too, hazard

I think it’s incredibly silly that Chomps is getting given a pass to vote whoever with 0 justification because ā€œit’s Chompsā€
How does he go from voting me for ??? reasons to swapping to the wagon I’m voting for
There is no progression whatsoever

At what point does Chomps’ behaviour go from ā€œit’s Chompsā€ to ā€œthis is actually alignment indicativeā€

I’m just a weak little unseen protective i bring no harm