Legacy Forum of Lies 2 - The Psychopathic King, Possessor, and Alchemist win

[Samarie]

why the vote on levi?

[Tanaka]

They haven’t produced enough content so consider this vote some pressure. I’m considering you two going at it as T/T for now - I think your accuser actually believes they have something and I think you’re likely not doing what they said you’ve done.

But no, really, I will be leaving now.

[Olivia]

Im heading to sleep
Late for me
I only got one ISO done but ill get the rest done overnight and wall post in the morning
My vote is staying, unless I wake up before SOD. Gn

[Samarie]

@Tanaka

They haven’t produced enough content so consider this vote some pressure.

Fair

[Kaiser]

In regards to me calling myself out: that’s an illusion. The quote you gave that’s apparently related is like the proof of working you’d give on a math test, except it’s showing the weird complications that arise if the premises you laid out are true. There is no logical merit in the equivalency you made about my treatment of you and Nashrah, so functionally it’s no different from you saying that I’m a wolf for no reason unless I already trust you as a person.

I’m not sure how you came to this conclusion since my use of language has been pretty clear.

[Samarie]

@Kaiser

In regards to me calling myself out: that’s an illusion. The quote you gave that’s apparently related is like the proof of working you’d give on a math test, except it’s showing the weird complications that arise if the premises you laid out are true. There is no logical merit in the equivalency you made about my treatment of you and Nashrah, so functionally it’s no different from you saying that I’m a wolf for no reason unless I already trust you as a person.

i am sorry this just reads like a jumble of words to me. i know your trying to do a bit but i cant understand you when you type like this

[Samarie]

@Kaiser

I’m not sure how you came to this conclusion since my use of language has been pretty clear.

this makes this sentence so much funnier

[Osaa]

@Nashrah

@Osaa

Yup. Killing Nash tonight if they don’t get executed today.

That Would Be A Waste. I Already Claimed My Role And Intention To Make King.

No it wouldn’t be a waste.

@Nashrah

This Is How I Type All The Time. It Helps Me Get Townread Every Game I Never Get Lynched And Always Get Killed Night One

Getting killed by a town vig N1 every game isn’t exactly something to brag about.

I have a hunch as to Nash’s identity now and if I’m right on who it is, me shooting him.N1 will always help the town, no matter what. That and if I’m right about who it is, they’re never town here.

@Kaiser

So is your diagnosis of my play as ‘confusing everyone by beating around the bush and sounding smart’ the obvious self-report I think it is that you’re not viewing me with a level perspective whatsoever and I shouldn’t take your wolfread on me seriously? Do you believe that’s the kind of statement that can be successfully and impersonally rationalised about another person without certain information or a lot of anecdotal evidence, and proven with logical reasoning?

If you can confuse me with a lot of big words like this and try.to dissuade me from wolfreading you, you’ve got another thing coming.

I find that the way ypu post makes me think you just want to appear all helpful and solvy without actually doing any work because it makes me think you don’t want people to understand what you’re saying.

@Daan

You have my blessing to execute this miserable traitor to the town.

You have my blessing too.

@Kaiser

Basically it feels like there’s some projection baked in there to me. Why would my goal be to confuse others and if my goal is to confuse others why do you seem to have me figured out, why would I want to sound smart if it’s the kind of posturing you could view as nefarious, why would I want to beat around the bush and how is that alignment related?

What if it’s just that you’re confused by me and that’s causing you to interpret what I say uncharitably? That feels like it’s way closer to the reality of things from where I stand

Kaiser, why would you speak like that as town? I’ve also already explained why you’d do what you’re doing as a wolf.

@Rher

@Nashrah was…

The Fool

Neutral Social
Madman’s Folly (Passive) - Upon your execution, one player who voted for your death will immediately commit suicide, chosen by you.
Trollbox (Day) - The host will log onto the target player’s account and make a post of your choice. Infinite uses
Deceive (Night) - Frame yourself this night. 2 uses
Hide (Night) - Gain death immunity for the night. 2 uses

Your objective is to be executed by the court.

Yup. Knew he couldn’t be town. Also, for taking out Nashrah, I think I’ll let our king decide who I shoot tonight. I trust him a bit more now after all. I doubt a wolf would’ve had Nash executed via that method.

@Kaiser

Town didn’t gain anything from their death, they were a big harmless teddy bear

The king is a tyrant and I demand a revolution

Wrong. Nash was dangerousand we gained a lot from their death. Also, I’m guessing Nash was Seth.

@Daan

Seeing as Samarie is my top suspect that is where I cast my ballet. VOTE: Samarie

I’m fine with that. VOTE: Samaria

[Osaa]

@Osaa

If you can

If you think you can

[Samarie]

@Osaa

I’m fine with that. VOTE: Samaria

you spelt my name wrong

[Osaa]

Oops. UNVOTE

Finding the correction to be somewhat villagery so hesitant to put my vote there for now. I think I’ll head to bed and sleep on it. Good night everyone.

[Samarie]

I’ll be back in a bit after i have a break from online. or if Kaiser comes back and cleans up the message he sent me.

i am sorry i am not being really helpful today. its been a messy weekend for me XD. i’ll come back with a fresh look in an hour or 2. have a good one folks!

[Kaiser]

Why would I speak like what as town? I am town, and I’m speaking this way because it’s who I am. I don’t know what to say about the things you’re claiming I’m doing other than none of it is grounded in reality whatsoever and you are not providing premises or conclusions that justify any of it. Normally that’s where the discussion starts and we’d just talk about things until something happens that makes us want to take some sort of action, but I’m running in to a problem, because you’re presupposing I want to confuse you, I want to appear to be gamesolving without actually gamesolving, I want to sound smart, I’m beating around the bush, I don’t want people to understand what I’m saying… A lot of the things you’re saying to discredit me must inherently come from a place of bad faith, and it’s all self-referential.

Your methodology is the problem. I can’t even critique what you’re saying because the essence of it is completely obfuscated by design, I’m not meant to be able to. No, I don’t want to confuse you and yes this is genuine gamesolving, but it’s not worth me saying either of those things because you would need a comically absurd amount of information to believe otherwise in good faith. I don’t need to want to confuse you as wolf and I don’t need to fake gamesolve while wanting to appear gamesolvey as wolf either, they are not the wolf’s win conditions. Even if you could prove I needed to want both of those things, you’d still need to prove I was wolf independent of my motivations. Even if you could prove that, you’d still need to prove it was what I’d actually do independent of that. It’s so far removed from being reasonable that I’m feeling it’s probably counterproductive to talk to you at all.

[August]

@Osaa

Oops. UNVOTE

Finding the correction to be somewhat villagery so hesitant to put my vote there for now. I think I’ll head to bed and sleep on it. Good night everyone.

That will be good idea to recollect our thoughts now Nashrah is dead.

[Caligura]

I’m struggling to offer assistance without meta (identity) and incentive, but for what it’s worth I couldn’t find myself townreading any of these folk:

Samarie, Daan, Levi, Pav, Karin, BlackKalev

[Caligura]

@Henryk Ping me with instructions for my night action before EoD, my liege. Otherwise I will either use Doctor on a consensus townread or I’ll holster in case there are any PGOs or such, I’d need to read the roles to see if I could be endangered by doctoring someone.

[Samarie]

Kaiser popped in and never cleared this with me cool

[Samarie]

@Caligura

BlackKalev

gonna be completely honest. forgot he was here

[Samarie]

I am open for questions while i read stuff

[Kaiser]

For the record believing I’m wolf for any reason is fine, even bad ones. Suggesting I’m doing something for any reason is also fine. Representing your belief as being more or less confident than it is in actuality is also fine as long as you don’t have to distort the truth of your belief to accomplish that.

You stated that the way I post makes you think I don’t want people to understand what I’m saying. No offense but that’s an absolutely insane thing to think about someone you don’t know well, I’d question whether the average person knows even a single person well enough to declare they WANT to be misunderstood and have good reasons for doing so. Is it something you could consider? Sure but in this case it observably has extended past being just a consideration because you’re telling others it’s who you think I am. It feels a lot simpler for me to conclude you don’t believe anything you’re saying. Interestingly I don’t think you’ve accused me of not believing my own input even once between all the other way more specific things you’ve suggested. I am going to accuse you of not believing your own input in regards to me because I can’t identify even a single way for you to come to believe all of it naturally that doesn’t involve you having some form of precognition.