Library of Ruina FM - Day 3 - Mafia Wins

[Frostwolf103]

You shouldnt sound so concerned about main wagon being established because you are not keep the pressure under control for potential wolves voting in here, thats a future problem

[Frostwolf103]

And because of not keeping pressure under control, you forget Day 1 entirely, wasting all that talk here too

[Frostwolf103]

@tutuu

Ive scumread and pushed every single player in this game at one point, including the two dead villagers. Thats quite amusing to me. This is the opposite of an “elegant” game from me. However by chasing elegance i can easily fall into tunneling wrong reads and refusing to reevaluate and playing an active role in town losing. This is a “wrestle in the mud” playstyle but if it successfully leads me to the wolves i’ll be happy

Then you shouldn’t lead, simple as that

[Frostwolf103]

@Jarek @ACE

So, I have question if you are going to persist in voting Gummy.

Is it worth the fancy play by executing another wolf but has the risk of letting it go because of the compelling information that Snow provided that Gunmybear is Roland/Black Silence?

If yes or no, please share what you think? That includes you too @Chomps

[EggYolk]

So. I don’t post for a while and have been somehow excised from public consciousness. That’s certainly positive! Definitely not a sign for anything. Unfortunately, I don’t have enough energy today to do a quotewall again and I tried backreading but found my eyes rolling back into my skull(despite today frankly being way more comprehensible than yesterday).

So I guess I’m saying: don’t forget me!!

Anyways. I’m looking for someone who has good, and importantly stable and comprehensible reads. Anyone want to volunteer?

PS: I’ll be mildly online for a while now so if there’s anything you’d like my opinion on this is also a good time to ask.

[Frostwolf103]

Do you think Gummy should be executed today because Snow says Gummy is Roland/Black Silence a member of Mafia?

[EggYolk]

I think it is one of the better leads we have, since Weak Investigative IS wording we have had used for both of them. I don’t think the “slip” was relevant to the conversation, but I agree largely with this post

@Frostwolf103

@tutuu

Think Chomps is a wolf for trying to get gummy hammered and convince me to not clear her. This rides on pre-flipping Gummy town, which I’m willing to risk. Also, Chomps has been in Gummy’s position before, where he crashed out and voted himself and tried to get executed as town,

If a town does that, wolf can replicate because its a town thing to do. I ignore these self vote lamist behavior (look at me I am seriously town) because it doesnt serve finding wolves but put blame to someone else

At this point we’ve had like 5/6 times that Tutuu has went “X player crashed out, Wolf would never” and I think at some point Wolf will/has taken advantage of that.

Otherwise, I have been thinking of gummy as wolfy for a while.

[Frostwolf103]

What do you think that Chomps is saving Jarek and Gummy

@Chomps

I want to know if sultan’s read is valid did I feel like I was faking stuff

@Chomps

@ACE @snow @EggYolk we can unvote tutuu now

@SultanOfSlam

Aight VOTE: gummy

@iamagummybear

Nah it does

I would normally be more indignant abt getting wolfread but im like really struggling to post coming off of fam

I think I have higher expectations for myself and also this thread is sm more serious than a mash thread lol

It is not the proper environment for gummy bears to thrive or something

@Achromatic

Burn the gummy

@SultanOfSlam

I scum read this hard.
This feels like a list id put together if i was scum and asked to do one. I hate posting lists but have posted so many just like this one as mafia. Granted wasnt asked and offered it freely. But it still feels so flat

[Frostwolf103]

@SultanOfSlam

Hate to use the words vibe check. But something just been bugging aboit gummy.

Their play seems like more trying to fit in as town than anything else and that is bigging me.

As town first read usually hits well for me so for now im gonna stick here

I meant to quote you this above, not below

@SultanOfSlam

I scum read this hard.
This feels like a list id put together if i was scum and asked to do one. I hate posting lists but have posted so many just like this one as mafia. Granted wasnt asked and offered it freely. But it still feels so flat

[Frostwolf103]

@EggYolk

PS: I’ll be mildly online for a while now so if there’s anything you’d like my opinion on this is also a good time to ask

i asked about Chomps

[EggYolk]

Huh. I didn’t actually see it. Spent some time looking through posts. I still need to squint a little bit? Actually, I’m finding it very hard to discern what Chomps even wants in this game right now. Gives me wolf chaos vibes but also that’s a null from me for now.

[The_Head]

iamagummybear (3): Frostwolf103, Jarek, ACE
Chomps (2): tutuu, snow
Rue (1): Zone_Q11
ACE (1): Leafia
Spiritualized (1): Wazza
tutuu (1): Chomps

Not Voting (6): EggYolk, Spiritualized, FreezinIce, Rue, SultanOfSlam, iamagummybear

[Wazza]

@Spiritualized

wazza’s early speculation came dangerously close to creating a world where we gave (and could continue giving) mafia abilities without ever knowing they exist

what?

when on earth did I ever even do anything like this

[Zone_Q11]

@SultanOfSlam

Achro rule who he have in the scum team one of them is probably scum

@Achromatic

I would give rue a chance to solve day 2 though, she’s very good and shouldnt be railroaded

Sultan’s post made me ISO Achro’s post a little bit, and this was his last post.
Uh. That’s good for Achro and all, but I (1) am not giving Rue a second chance just like how I didn’t give gummy room at D1, and (2) my vote is “not mechanically, but basically” stuck on Rue anyway.

I also saw him say that Rue/gummy are unpaired, so I genuinely don’t mind either dying.

@Leafia

@Zone_Q11

As a setup designer, I think that Town Messenger is too weak in this game. I think Messenger is a Key Page ability, and I think Rue is Mafia.

It’s how she used it that solidified my already strong v read on her. Not the fact that she has it.

In response to your opinion, I am of the opinion that how she used it is NAI.

@iamagummybear

I just thought this bc achro didn’t flip

Ditto’ing Leafia: Pandora flipped normally. Not reading OP is one thing, but after D1, I expect you to know the “not everyone flips all the time” gimmick of this game already. Y’know, the gimmick that was made public ever since the signups opened.

@iamagummybear

Achro died without a role flipping and i just forgot that this only happens during the night sigh

If you are Town, then that is the biggest fumble I have seen coming from you ever since FAM6.
–and I would rather not believe you are capable of that much fumble. Not with that “2025 Best All-Around Player” title under your name. I would rather believe you scumslipped.

Your sole solace coming from me is the fact that I cannot change my vote away from Rue. Otherwise I definitely would’ve changed my vote to you.

@Frostwolf103

I should also mentioned I am informed I got roleblocked, I don’t know who did this but I appreciate who did that to come forward.

You were informed you were blocked? Odd… I was not informed, yet the effects of my ability didn’t show up at SOD1.

… @tutuu, @ACE, @Leafia, we are under the opinion that -assuming all your claims are true- there is a Mafia Redirector in the game, correct? One that tried to use Leafia’s protective ability (which Mafia learned from Leafia’s D1 breadcrumbing) on another Mafia member, and this interference effect got copied by ACE to tutuu? (Eh… it could also be Mafia Magnet, though that’s highly unlikely –unless the Magnet only redirects positive effects to themselves.)

I need want you three to confirm this, because the number of failed actions on N1 is really starting to concern me. (I also have another reason, but I can’t explain it right now.)

[Frostwolf103]

Fair enough, it will be wise to keep eye open for Jarek and Chomps

[Frostwolf103]

I went to Gummy that night

[Wazza]

This is a lot especially considering I was attempted to be redirected that failed, unless there’s some bullshit thing that causes N1 actions to just go all over the place I’m not buying that there is this many, especially since my redirect really sounds like single target

@Zone_Q11

… @tutuu, @ACE, @Leafia, we are under the opinion that -assuming all your claims are true- there is a Mafia Redirector in the game, correct? One that tried to use Leafia’s protective ability (which Mafia learned from Leafia’s D1 breadcrumbing) on another Mafia member, and this interference effect got copied by ACE to tutuu? (Eh… it could also be Mafia Magnet, though that’s highly unlikely –unless the Magnet only redirects positive effects to themselves.)

[tutuu]

Yes im under the assumption mafia has a redirector. Could be more powerful, magnet as you say

[tutuu]

Ill respond to other stuff l8r im a lil busy

[ACE]

@Zone_Q11

… @tutuu, @ACE, @Leafia, we are under the opinion that -assuming all your claims are true- there is a Mafia Redirector in the game, correct? One that tried to use Leafia’s protective ability (which Mafia learned from Leafia’s D1 breadcrumbing) on another Mafia member, and this interference effect got copied by ACE to tutuu? (Eh… it could also be Mafia Magnet, though that’s highly unlikely –unless the Magnet only redirects positive effects to themselves.)

Yes. Which implies (but does not prove) that the mafia lack a roleblocking ability.

Wait… not it doesn’t… if you had both you would use the redirect on Leafia…

Never mind.