Millennium Theory - Act 2, Scene 1 (14/17)

[Geewa]

Summary

@Jarek

Might just be easier if they tell us who won the visit-off tommorow. I’d be inclined to believe them if they can correctly get the person right.

@Jarek

@CRYBABY_UNDERDOG

Oh, do you think?
That’s not really what I meant, I actually kinda also believed that the wincon could potentially change
I just meant that, quite literally, because she’s a delegate, she’s not part of the counter-breach team, so we don’t have to kill her for our wincon, so I would be pushing to kill not-her if we take her claim at face value

It was more that if the win con flipped with them then we’d kill a neutral (who could be lying anyway) and either kill an evil neutral (because the wolves would be heavily incentivized to flip them) or hard confirm a town player who has visited them and flipped them good - much like a goon from BOTC. except it’s 1-shot.

That being said, I don’t think their win con actually updates like they’re saying. I think they’re super-imposing how their ability works into “I must win with this player” as functionally, they do. If their target loses the game they’re dead if mafia, and assuming parity kills all town - dead as a town too. So the GA will lose.

@Jarek

I believe them 100% outside of that I don’t see why you’d put yourself in this position socially speaking unless it was real, so I’m not going to question it

@Jarek

@tutuu

I think they might die at night end. Which makes my role very different. In this case i possibly…

Hm. Well. The poisoned player will still have a red check. They just wont be able to claim it. Coz its night

But they might use their night abilities with the knowledge they have an outed wolf

Also if they are in a hood they might be able to out the check

Wait dia - can you use your hood during the night? Not sure if u wana answer this and let mafia know. But if u can - we can possibly obtain a red check from this

Anyway im like a pseudo VT i think

All this is probably BS in some way but I believe it unconditionally

@Jarek

Like unless being voted for this ability is so good wolves are falling head over heels to get voted for it I don’t see a wolf fullclaiming D1 just to win a vote for an ability that would do very little for them unless wolf abilities and KP are so high they’re not worried about being caught for this because they think the game will end very quickly

so yeah I just think this is a town who wants to contribute, never a wolf

@Jarek

@Zone_Q11

You force the idea of 14v3 instead of Town’s WCS of 13v4. It’s almost as if you know “Ranta cannot side with Mafia” or something.

They’re either real or they’re mafia fake-claiming a role that benefits from being targetted. They specifically also want negative things to happen to them. Do you see a 13v3v1 game with the 1 being a neutral who might make it 13v4? 12v4v1 seems very wolf-sided numbers wise.

@Jarek

Yeah…I still think they’re neutral, actually, I just think their win condition is more directed towards X amount of visitors, possibly harmful or otherwise. They specifically want harmful visits to happen for “more benefits” so it’s possible it’s just “Have X amount of bad things happen to you to win.”

this is a big ass sequence of posts from jarek and it’s all uncritical mech speculation that is agreeing with what people claim while doing nothing to move the game forward. it gives the appearance of actually contributing but there’s no meaningful substance behind it and he spends a disproportionate amount of time on it rather than actually attempting to sort people

meanwhile a post like this at gummy feels like it is mainly concerned with discrediting her reads but again i don’t get the sense jarek is actualy trying to sort people - there’s the commentary about the wagons being “shrugvotes” but nothing in the way of attempting to build an actual case or do something more investigative with it, comes across as pure posturing - same with the paranoia and fear stoking over the wolves being “active” but landing on zone, only kind of sort of half-assedly calling diafiasco scum for what seems like OMGUS reasons

just seems like a wolf

[May]

@Geewa

this is a big ass sequence of posts from jarek and it’s all uncritical mech speculation that is agreeing with what people claim while doing nothing to move the game forward. it gives the appearance of actually contributing but there’s no meaningful substance behind it and he spends a disproportionate amount of time on it rather than actually attempting to sort people

You’re gonna hate this response: sounds like Jarek to me, man

[Geewa]

you’re right i do hate it

[May]

I’m nothing but honest and real

[Hazardwaste]

Cause arty raised a good point after that post stating that something along the lines of “Atlas wouldnt put a banshee in this game with that ability”

[Hazardwaste]

Which i replied with “yeah fair enough”

[Hazardwaste]

@Hazardwaste

Nah i get you i get you.
Your right tbf.

Like at least read my full iso if your gonna come at me

[Hazardwaste]

What does lameist actually mean. Its like the only buzz word idk

[Hazardwaste]

Gang i have 20 minutes someone talk to me! Let me be effective in this game!

[Geewa]

“look at me i’m so towny”

[May]

Here’s some mild effortposting to tide over my lies:

Townreads:

1. CRYBABY_UNDERDOG just has those vibes, responded really quickly, seems genuinely questioning, I haven’t agreed with all or even most of their takes and reads, they just feel legit. I think there have been some things I would actually call towntelling, but this is only mild effortposting and I want to move on fast.
2. tutuu wants everybody’s attention and wants it now, and also went through a whole complicated mech misunderstanding arc when I feel like she might’ve doubled down if she really wanted to win the damn prize, and her role sounds real and Atlas-y (though I could see it as a wolf role if it had actives that synergized?), and I feel like she’d be too afraid of sounding like a wholesale copy of Wiretapper13er to draw 1 billion mech attentions unprompted

Townleans:

4. Arctic is a weird inclusion but he visibly doesn’t really GAF and he’s mindmelded with me a bit, so I’m comfortable kind of townreading him. Sort of think there’s a possibility of sandbagging for an excuse not to be N1ed, but he could do that as either alignment tbh and there should be sufficient excuses on this playerlist
5. Frostwolf kind of had a moment of genuine tilt at me that I don’t think he’d actively try to fake, if he’s wolf he got for real tilted, and that feels <rand because the source of the tilt was me not being readable and being annoying
6. gummy was intentionally trying out a new tone and playstyle when I feel like as wolf the following thought would happen in her channel in wolfchat:

I want to start using punctuation
it feels more dignified
but like
won’t that be
so suspicious
to start posting in a new tone all of the sudden

Bunch of nulls:
7. Geewa hasn’t done anything I think is actually for real AI
8. Jarek has a lot going in both directions, hasn’t been doing anything classically towny, has been doing a lot of things classically Jarek, I kind of believe the “just say I’m town repeatedly” strategy as something villageryish?
9. Zone is lockZone, sort of actually feels villagery in the disconnect and forgetting but this is NOT a reliable read
10. Leafia IDFK man I think she’d be slightly more motivated as wolf?
11. Ranta isn’t the neutral she claims no shot but I think she could claim tihs as any alignment, I have 1 townpoint for her and I’m not sharing
12. Daeron
13. Willow
14. Hazardwaste

Scumleans I guess:
15. Ishmael just came into my head as osmebody who’s often kind of floppy as wolf and has felt floppy here
16. Anonygoose slightly weird not towny yet

[Hazardwaste]

Oh! So i was right in thinking it just mean “dumb tell”… kinda

[Geewa]

you realize that i was reading your iso right, and i cannot tell what context that post was made in

point taken though

[CRYBABY_UNDERDOG]

Yeah?

[May]

@Ishmael

also the “i’m gonna low effort irl stuff” into “give me the ability” pivot was jarring asf

Like this is weird, No Correlation

VOTE: Ishmael

Sure

[CRYBABY_UNDERDOG]

Just don’t spend money tf

[Geewa]

VOTE: Ishmael

[Hazardwaste]

I was replying while scrolling.
You did i see that lol. Just blurgh

[CRYBABY_UNDERDOG]

Hi I have 2 seconds to be here responding s i can slookk later

[Hazardwaste]

I should actually read ish instead of just vibe check her from the posts i remember. Hold on