i win again
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lilith was the goat this game
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The full setup (including all Awakened versions of the roles):
Mafia roles:
Haunted Roleblocker
note: unknown to mafia team, both Cattails are controlled by 2 trustworthy spectators, who are only allowed to banter/shitpost in royal chats and 10 times per day in thread. I won’t actually hold them to any win conditions. They aren’t allowed to claim their identity.
Mad Surgeon
List of abilities gainable with The Chimera Project:
Zealous Seer - Interrogate [note: will be just faction cop without sanity stuff]
Clairvoyant Tracker - Third Eye
Werewolf - Resist the Bloodlust [totally useless for mafia, but you can roleblock your own factional if you want]
Scholar of the Unbroken Circle - MAFIA ability
Priestess of Truth - Illusions to Illusions
Death Game Afficionado - Morning Announcement
Wandering Warrior - Power of Nothingness
Washed-up Paladin - “Radiant” “Holiness”
Firefighter JOAT - Don’t Fight Fire with Fire
Soul Thief - Steal
Hitman - Charm [does nothing for mafia]
Sweet-Tongued Pirate - Compliment Sword Fighting [Cool Element]
Herald of Transcendence - “The Lord Bless You and Keep You…”
Music Star - “What a grand and intoxicating innocence”
Water Mage - Ice Block
Fairy Tale Writer - Every Story Needs a Villain
Neighbor Doctor/Meddler - Doctor
Neighbor Vigilante/Doctor - Doctor
Neighbor Meddler/Vigilante - Meddler (unusable since it’s only for Knot members)
Friendly Assistant - Assistance (unusable because you need to be in someone’s rolecard).
note: Bloody Business: when you backup dead mafia, their flip’s portrait is removed with bloody marks, and added sloppily to backuper’s rolecard, with duct tape and blood splatter.
Spellcaster
Night Spells:
- “Vig Shot” - Target a player and kill them.
- “Sight” - Target a player. You will learn whom they visited and who visited them tonight.
- “Give Steroids” - Target a player. Factional kill they perform tonight will be strongmanned (will bypass roleblocks, redirects and protections).
- “Potion” - Target a player. They will be healed (protected from attacks and cured from bleeds, poisons and infections) tonight.
- “Teleport” - Target a player. Anyone else targeting them will target you and anyone targeting you will target them tonight.
- “idk” - Target a player. At the start of the day, it will be announced that every living player can privately vote on whether that player is innocent or guilty. If there are more guilty votes than innocent votes at EoD, that player will die alongside the day’s elimination.
Day Spells:
- “Haste” - Target a player. The following night, they will be given an option to use their non-factional night action twice (provided they have enough uses left), but, if they decide to do so, they won’t be able to use that action the night after. If they have several night actions, they can decide to which ones this effect should be applied to (they can choose multiple).
- “Slow” - Target a player. The following night, they will not be able to use their non-factional night actions, but the night after that they will be able to use them twice (provided they have enough uses left).
- “Entomb” - Target a player. On the following night, all actions on them will fail and they will be roleblocked.
- “Sneaky” - Target a player. On the following night, their night actions will be ninja (invisible to tracking/watching and similar abilities). They can decide to which actions the effect will be applied to.
- “Dispel” - Target a player. Illusions present on them, as well as magic effects not caused by their role, will be removed. This will also unlock their Awakened ability if they have one.
- “Truth”, “bad vibes”, “dont use” - Target a player. Their faction will be publicly announced immediately.
Neighbor (Knot of Gentanel)
(see the Knot of Gentanel)
Mafia False Faces:
Town roles:
Zealous Seer
note: insane check on Friendly Assistant shows “Canine Spirit”.
Insane check on the treestump depends on what factions contributed to the stump’s DNA (in case of multiple factions, will show multiple factions).
So the insane check is Conspirator if only guests are in the stump or guests+priestess.
Conspirator and Guest if there are both in the stump.
Guest if only Conspirator is in it.
Scholar of the Unbroken Circle
Circles:
- HEAVEN
“… And Zemonirth partook of the heavenly fruit, and the voice of the universe talked to him, and he was enlightened…”
Night - Give your target the fruit of knowledge (a banana). They will have an option to eat it. If they do, then they will gain a piece of truthful mechanical information about the setup. (‘At the start of the game, there were four different win conditions present.’) - SAGE
“… And many men came to Zemonirth asking for his wisdom, which he shared freely…”
Day - After day ends, it will be publicly announced that players can ask (as a night action) for wisdom from The Great Sage. The following day, you will be given a list of players who have asked for it and will be able to send each of them a 12 word private message. (they will know The Great Sage sent those, but not your identity). - CLOWN
“…They laughed at him and called him a clown, and paid no heed to his words…”
Day - Submit a post of another player (made today), containing them voting someone. That post will be publicly announced to have received a Clown Award. If that player’s vote is on the same person at EoD, then its vote weight will be secretly halved (for example, a normal vote of weight 1 will count as 0.5 votes). - DEATH
“…On the edge between life and death, the images from the Realm of the Dead flashed before their eyes…”
Day - Give up to four players a special herbal mix, which will make them (safely) enter a temporary near-death state. These players will be publicly announced to have died (without flips). Each will receive an arbitrarily chosen message that was posted in dead chat. All players are announced to be revived right afterwards. You can choose yourself as one of four players. - LOVE
“…They vowed to remain together from that day forward, in sickness or health, and Zemonirth blessed them…”
Day/Night - Target two players, they will be informed that they are now married and will share a private chat until one of them dies. Optionally at the same time, you can in addition add rainbow flags to both of target players’ rolecards.
[note: it will be added as a soul fragment] - PAST
“…And Zemonirth considered all of her past deeds, good and bad, and accepted them wholeheartedly…”
Night - Target a player (dead or alive). All night actions they have ever done during previous nights will be performed on you, if applicable (these actions will be considered as if you targeted yourself). - FORUM
“…And the liars and deceivers all gathered, and reassured the folk with their false promises of justice…”
Day - Choose 3 players that will have a private day chat (called Forum of Lies) until day ends. In that chat, they will be informed that they can place votes on each other, and that the person who reaches majority (2) will get dayvigged. If majority is reached, then they will all be informed that dayvig was a lie (because it’s the Forum of ‘Lies’) and be removed from the chat. You (The Scholar) alone will be able to read that chat afterwards (note: the hosts will give warning to these players that the chat might get publicized during the game). - INFINITY
“…Egg begets a chicken, which begets the same egg, which begets the same chicken…”
Day - Create an alt account (or I can create it for you). It will be announced to have arrived from the future at the start of the night. You can freely post and vote from it the following day. Its vote secretly counts as [0.5]. At the end of the following day, it’ll vanish, travelling one day into the past to be announced to join the game. If it dies, an occurrence of a Time Paradox will be announced, and the announcement of the account joining will be erased. - WARP
“…Zemonirth has teleported into his friend’s house, and stood vigil there…”
Night - Choose a player. Anyone who targets that player tonight will instead target you, and after the night is resolved, your slot will be moved into that player’s position in the living playerlist (it might end up a different number due to deaths). - MAZE
“…And those who would walk into one place would end up in another, and there was much confusion…”
Day - Half of the living playerlist (rounded down to an even number) will be randomly divided into pairs. At the start of the night, it will be publicly and truthfully announced that players inside these pairs will be bus driven between each other tonight. As an optional night action, you will be able to make one of these bus drives not happen. - ZERO
“[For some reason, there seem to be only blank pages here. But perhaps, they convey a deep lesson in itself?]”
Instant - There is no ability here. Link a non-killing ability from another forum mafia game on Fortress of Lies or Forum of Lies and you’ll gain 1 use of it. Caveat: it WILL get nerfed in some way no matter what you pick, to the extent up to host discretion. - MAFIA
“…And Zemonirth warned his followers against using violence, lest they become like common criminals, and made an exception for using it in jest…”
Day - Publicly reveal yourself as a member of the Mafia. You can then make a post containing the following in big red letters “@X, Y sends his regards”, where X is a player in the game and Y is whoever you want. It will be publicly announced that you shot at X with a gun, which will shower them in confetti. - FUTURE
“…Zemonirth spent two days and two nights motionless and in deep contemplation…”
Night - Fastforward time one cycle ahead. The missing day and night will be processed as if no elimination or actions have happened in them (the rules regarding second ‘No elimination’ in a row will be ignored in relation to the missing cycle if applicable). However, you alone can presubmit your actions for the skipped phases, which will play out automatically. - HATE
“…For his treachery, he was shunned by all villagers, and no one would have any dealings with him…”
Night - Target a player. All positive actions on them will fail tonight and, at start of day, they will be announced to be Enemy of the People, gaining a hated modifier for the day (their elimination will require 1 fewer vote to reach majority). Additionally, on that day you can submit 1 post made by that player. The host will shoot a 0℅ ITA shot at all players who liked that post, publicly presented as them being sentenced for endorsing subversive ideas by the Enemy of the People. - LIFE
“…And the dead rose from their graves and gave their final farewells…”
Night - Four random dead players come back to life. They can’t use abilities, can’t vote, and can only make one post containing one gif (can’t be one made specifically for this game) and nothing else, after which they will instantly die. If they never post, they die at EoD. - PROPHET
“…And he had foretold many events that would pass, and many of them never happened, but it was the sentiment that mattered…”
Day - Choose a public announcement to be made, saying that Guests will win this game, or that Conspirators will win this game. If you correctly predict Conspirators to win, you will be announced as an honorary winner at the end of the game. If you correctly predict Guests to win, you will be announced as a super-winner at the end of the game. Note that these titles don’t affect whether you actually won or lost as per your win condition. - FOOL
“… Was a treasure or a curse contained within? Zemonirth’s students spent all night in contemplation trying to understand their master’s intentions…”
Day - Give two players Troll Boxes, which they will receive after EoD. They will be given an option to open them on that night only. Unopened Troll Box will vanish at the following SoD. Players will receive no information on Troll Box’s possible contents. If both players decide to open it, then both boxes will be revealed to contain a link to Rick Astley’s “Never Gonna Give You Up” video. If only one of them opens it, that box will give them a 1-Use Roleblock. [Note: the link is presented as box containing a “divine melody”] - HELL
“… And Zemonirth has slain the Emperor of Hell, and took his mantle, and established bureaucracy for all proceedings therein…”
Night - At the start of the day it will be announced that the castle teleported to a new location - Hell, and that everyone has an option to apply for Hell citizenship (which requires submitting an application of up to 66 words to the Emperor of Hell). You, as the Emperor of Hell, will be able to read these applications when the following night begins, and optionally, on that night, you will be able to visit up to 3 players that sent you an application to grant them the citizenship (they will receive corresponding feedback).
note: passive is that they can’t use killing abilities ever, even if acquired somehow. But if they get a bomb from role 6, for example, they can pass it to someone else. If they get into Short Fuse, I inform them they can use detonate inside it, because they can sense what they have is a detonator to a toy bomb.
Priestess of Truth
note: hidden text is initially redacted and revealed SoD3.
note: removing illusion on living player unlocks their awakened ability. The feedback if you have the awakened ability unlocked is: “You feel as if something has changed within you… or perhaps you have returned to what you were supposed to be”. Using it on dead player removes effects from flip tampering and also will make awakened ability show up on the flip (but that one is silent because you should be looking at the flip if you use that ability in such a way).
Death Game Afficionado
Short Fuse OP
Short Fuse
Hosts
X, @astand, Y
Setup
9 Town
3 Mafia
- Mafia requires parity to win rather than the total obliteration of the town faction.
- Nightless.
- Mafia have a factional chat, but do not have a factional kill.
- Days are 24 hours long.
- There are no eliminations.
- There is no requirement for activity or effort whatsoever.
- You are allowed to discuss the main game in this thread.
- If a player dies in the main game, they will be modkilled in this game.
Game Gimmick
Each player has a bomb strapped to them.
At the beginning of the game, each player is publicly given a detonator. On whom, is determined randomly.
At any point, you may type /detonate in the game thread to kill the player whose detonator you hold.
When a player dies, the detonator they hold is given to the player who holds their detonator, so if A can kill B and B can kill C, if B dies, A then has the detonator to kill C.
A player may detonate a maximum of one player per 24 hours.
If no one dies during a Day, a random player will be exploded at the end of it.
Once the player who has your detonator types /detonate, you can no longer detonate anyone.
Players
- A > B
- B > C
- etc.
Soul Thief
List of abilities:
Blood - (Night) Target a player. They will die tonight if and only if you die tonight. This ability will do nothing in case the kill on your target bypasses protections.
Cat - (Day) Post an image of a cat or a cat-related creature. If the post with it gathers 5 or more likes, gain a 1-Use instant neighborizer that you can use at day on any player that liked that post. The neighborhood will last until either of its members dies.
Circle - (Day) Target 11 players (you can target dead players, but at least 2 targets must be alive). They (together with you) will be publicly announced to be members of the secret faction, Knights of the Round Table. During the following night, all living Knights will be able to privately vote on a player to roleblock. The player with the most votes will be roleblocked, and in case of a tie no roleblock will take place. Results of the vote will not be revealed.
DNA - (Passive) You have been infused with plant DNA. As such, every day, a random fruit will grow on your body. As a night action, you can give a fruit you have to another player (they will be informed that it was you who gave it to them). Fruits can be eaten at any time, but don’t do anything. The fruit giver action has unlimited uses.
Eye - (Night) Target a player. Their Awakened ability will be unlocked.
Gear - (Passive) You are permanently immune to non-killing negative abilities that are performed on you by roles that have a Magic Class. Magic Classes are: Wizard, Sorcerer, Warlock.
Guitar - (Night) Submit a song of your choice. Link to it will be posted at SoD by the host.
Crown - (Passive) Your vote will count as 1.5 for the rest of the game. This fact will not be reflected in votecounts.
Looking Glass - (Night) Target a player and learn what soul fragment they have and what it would do if you obtained it.
Rainbow - (Passive) You are a part of the married private chat.
Shield - (Night) Put a bulletproof vest for tonight, protecting you from a single attack.
Skull - (Day) Target a dead Guest and select a non-killing night ability they had. You will gain 1 use of that ability, provided it’s an unlimited use ability or its uses were not fully spent. No player can be targeted more than once in this fashion.
Spiral - (Night) Write a message of up to 50 words and target a player to send them that message, presented as part of night feedback from hosts (it won’t replace regular feedback).
Sword - (Night) Make the target player immune to roleblocks and redirections tonight.
Rings - (Night) Target three players. You will learn whether there was a visit from any one of them to any other.
Pentagram - (Night) Cast a Light cantrip in your room. You will be informed of which players visit you tonight.
note: Soul Fragments are symbols in lower right corner of the role. Thief isn’t aware of this at the start of the game, but it’ll be obvious when I add other symbols to their rolecard. By default in case of multiple fragments the rightmost one is stolen.
note 2: For gear passive full list of negative magic class abilities: deal with the devil (in case hosts deem gained ability negative), Phantasmagoria, Veil, Slow, Entomb, Exe (“no idea” spell), Ice Block, Deus Ex Machina (if hosts deem gained ability negative).
Herald of Transcendence
note: the blessing activates awakened ability. Player is informed they received the blessing and receive awakening feedback: “You feel as if something has changed within you… or perhaps you have returned to what you were supposed to be”.
Music Star
note: The clip is as follows:
dagoth urs perform dagothwave live on stage for you (youtube.com)
Neighbor (Knot of Gentanel)
(see the Knot of Gentanel)
Neighbor (Knot of Gentanel)
(see the Knot of Gentanel)
The Knot of Gentanel:
The Knot of Gentanel
note: Regarding investigations: role peek would only return faction, tracker sees [Unknown] (but track doesn’t fail) unless the target was the same in all worlds (would still see, for example, factional kill if mafia neighbor does it, since it’s not related to the role), watcher would fail to see just the neighbor visit, cop still works fine. Dagoth ur’s count might give fractional number of players.
Example of Blessing Bestowal interaction:
Neighbor A would bless whoever he visits (per public announcement). He uses Doctor/Meddler and Vigilante/Doctor to doctor X outside of the Knot. X does not get blessed since it would resolve the superposition paritally (it would mean A can’t be Meddler/Vigilante role). But if A uses two roles to doctor B who is another Knot member, then the blessing does always happen in the worlds where B is Meddler/Vigilante (because A is always either Doctor/Meddler or Vigilante/Doctor there), therefore 1 of 3 roles that B has (Meddler/Vigilante) receives blessing and is awakened.
Another scenario:
Current blessing criterion is - a random player who visits X (player outside the knot).
Neighbor A targets X with doctor from Doctor/Meddler and Vigilante/Doctor. A player Y from outside the Knot also targets X.
In that case Y always receives the blessing, because even considering A in the rand would partially resolve the superposition. (and it’s not like I can do the rand in some worlds and not do the rand in others, because Y has to get a definitive result on whether they got blessed).
But if no one other than A attempts to visit X… Then A’s Doctor/Meddler and Vigilante/Doctor get awakened, since they are always the ones getting blessed in corresponding worlds.
Extras:
Friendly Assistant
note: this isn’t a player, but an NPC on Cattail 5.0 account. I will join the game on it in signup thread. When it doesn’t have a player to assist, I’ll make 1 post from the account saying that I want to play and make new friends or something.
note 2: if it somehow gets a detonator, it’ll offer a player to choose a target to detonate.
note 3: in signup thread, I’ll try to join as 24th player, then host account will say “One more!”, expanding the game to 25 slots.
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Anyways:
What is awakened and how does that happen?
The host notes about the setup:
I formatted them in a way that would be more digestible to you, who didn’t see this game run 162 times before, from a hypothetical PoV of the setup designer who ran it just once.
In my opinion, the setup was slightly-to-moderately scumsided (in a vacuum).
However, several factors contributed to it becoming de-facto strongly scumsided when it was actually run:
- The modkill obviously contributed to Town getting behind in numbers in an unintended way.
- The neighborhood unraveled in BY FAR the most disastrous way possible for town. Not only both town neighbors died extremely early (and didn’t have time to use much of their abilities), the knowledge that Gummy had access to a vigilante shot was lost with their death. The way the neighborhod was designed, Gummy wasn’t supposed to have absolute free rein to make a wolf-sided shot. When Gummy claimed the shot, it was too late and at the point where town was pretty lost.
In case you want a scenario showing how the neighborhood could very well swing another way - you can imagine a hypothetical where Gummy gets eliminated D1, giving Hazard and Terminator access to two town-controlled vigilante shots instead of gummy’s wolf-controlled shot (extreme variance in KP). I did know that the Knot is inherently volatile, and I guess it’s debatable if the gimmick was worth it.
Overall town neighbors were intended to keep the mafia neighbor vig at least somewhat in check in the “average” scenario, but this didn’t happen. - Hazardwaste essentially had a full vig shot on N1 (he wasn’t blocked that night and no wolves had any protection). It went unused, albeit there existed sensible reasons to holster.
- Chomps decided not to perform a peek N1, even though I thought it would be well worth the risk on N1 (I guess it could be argued). There were no godfather/miller/framer abilities in the setup that could mess with faction peek, so a well placed peek could have changed the tides.
- Priestess of Truth (Town flip untamperer) didn’t submit an action on N2 (they could use it every night). This would have also most likely cleared them if submitted on snowe, and town would have a lot of information to think about too (and be less confused).
5.5) Related, but O.kazo seemed very confused about their role and even the win condition. Practically they were a normal Guest in everything but name. I’ll accept a part of blame for that since the flavor was probably too convoluted. But O.kazo did confirm they understood their win condition on N0, so I’m not sure what happened (of course, I might be misunderstanding their play). - “Everyone is town” theory was well beyond my predictions. When I was making this game and the flavor, it never occured to me that players could reach that conclusion (obviously I didn’t put anything into flavor intentionally to suggest that). The theory unfortunately derailed the town to a significant degree and made them waste the most potent town killpower on an NPC (in a situation where hitting a wolf was critical).
The weird thing is that no one thought to ask the hosts about that theory. I would have confirmed that at least one non-Guest evil player exists among the living players and needs to be defeated per the win condition.
I think if catbae is detonated on D4, and people can see his False Face and Veil abilities (monumental information imo), then town would have a chance to understand what has been going on and win (still a small chance, but it existed).
More thoughts on variance: if Meme gets executed on D1 instead (which was plausible to happen), and no modkill happens, the entire game plays out very differently. I think it’s not impossible in this setup that town could get a snowball momentum instead and just win. I suppose such swing just comes with the territory of designing a game like this.
I admit I might have made an rookie mistake by underestimating the difficulty of navigating a game like this as town mechanically and overestimating town’s optimality in actions when I considered balance of this game, which is why I would still accept that the setup is scumsided overall.
To be clear, I’m not blaming any players for this.
Regarding the flavor: it was too convoluted and no one understood well how it connects to the mechanics, so I have conflicting feelings on the storyline overall.
In addition, I might be hosting my games too rarely, because many players aren’t familiar with my style and cleared wolves for just the fact of them having certain roles.
Notably Memekingpizza’s Spirit Medium, and to some extent Hippo’s “miller” role (which was intentionally designed to seem townie by being suspicious - Admittedly a subversion of stuff I’ve done before)
In all honesty, before game started, I thought Spirit Medium would be more likely seen as scummy (something I’d give to a wolf rather than town). I mean, I had a Mafia Retributionist in Umineko 1.
Regardless, if some people are unsatisfied with the game, please accept my sincere apology and write it off as a completely unserious bastard experience.
My personal overall evaluation of the game is that it’s a mostly a meme and as a practical setup is a mixed bag, but I hope you found some enjoyable aspect in it.
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I could awaken people.
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can i ask what caused the modkill?
Kelsier posted something in his FAM5 rolecard instead of his role channel.
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No, I was clear I was town-sided. I just wanted to stay away fromafia’s radar.
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Honest mistake, though unfortunate.
always assume town is stupid :3
Basically a Cursed Spirit who is aware that they are a Cursed Spirit gains an awakened ability.
Ways to become aware were:
- you explicitly receive the Blessing from May’s role;
- O.kazo’s role does illusion dispel on you;
- Dispel spell from the Spellbook is used;
- Animancer’s awakened ability is used.
By flavor everyone is a cursed spirit already except O.kazo, they just don’t know it.
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Lmao
Why was a bunch of flavor AI and tech related?
It was very unfortunate, but Kelsier posted a question somewhat related to their role in their FAM rolecard, which we know Ash has seen, and May might have seen also.
We figured the modkill was the least integrity-breaking option there (since asking questions in the rolecard is strongly town-indicative anyhow).
extras
“tree stump” lmao
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I didn’t see what they posted; I just saw that they deleted a post and surmised what happened from there.
they should’ve given me extra posts to correct pronouns
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