That’s not to diminish everyone else’s contributions - great job to all of you, really. I townread Jarek, thinking his differing-from-usual reactions flowed naturally from his reflection after Nightmare Woods. Even when I suspected KingTroll, the way they managed their thread presence made it very hard to push them over - even when most people had you PoEd, even when you counterclaimed me, essentially, and I should’ve known for sure you were a wolf, very few ever voted you, which is incredible. And Stellaluna’s fake parity check was the perfect smoke bomb for just… the entire thread, everything was caught up in it, everything I said during the game was true: great fakeclaim, and great management of the thread to keep it relevant and influential. You are all very good at game. Can you not do that in the future if youre not on my team :( :( :( :( :( :(
(You all know I love losing. Keep doing this in the future if you’re not on my team.)
I’ve only played one game here, but my opinion is that there can only be so many selfish players at once
Town kept pushing their individual reads and working alone, and while some may have correctly wolfread 1 or 2 of the wolves and are using it to shield themselves post-game, the reads are not the problem. They never were
The problem is that when you’ve got 9 people doing their own business and acting like they can solve the game alone, wolves are going to be the ones stepping in and buddying up to people – or in this case, just being a team against 4v1v1v1v1v1v1v1…
I think the only people this doesn’t apply to are Leafia, Noki, 2Wolves?
Everyone else, regardless of their arguments, needs to learn social skills and how to cooperate with people instead of expecting it to happen magically by itself
It’s not even that people aren’t going out of their way to do what they perceive to be cooperation, it’s that people genuinely don’t know how to work with difficult people. It’s just a bunch of “me” statements: I think this, my reads are this, why aren’t you listening??
When sometimes you have to actively buddy up to them and get into their mindset, even if it’s frustrating at times. See: My interactions with LLD, Jar, or Noki
These are supposed to be basic skills and it’s disappointing this game went how it went, but let this be a lesson for us all
I’m just shouting from the sidelines as the IC who died n2 and didn’t have to deal with all the crap town went through afterwards
Yeah, I really struggled with the lack of interaction, despite contributing to it myself - my playstyle relies very very heavily on how people treat and talk about others’ reads, and when there’s not much of that at all going on… it’s hard. I definitely could’ve worked better to facilitate collaboration, if only for my own selfish read-furthering reasons.
When I did get to hear people talking about each other, I managed to get correct reads off of it - Stellaluna bussing Jarek, Lucyfer and Stellaluna being V/W off how they treated my pairing them together… but I didn’t properly act on those, because I wasn’t in thread nearly enough, and I wasn’t confident enough in myself.
Gotta work on those skills. Or maybe I’ll keep losing? Or maybe I’ll improve the skills and lose anyway? It’s unclear. I think my entire presence on this site is an experiment in seeing if one can get banned for gamethrowing 1. with zero solid evidence of gamethrowing 2. without gamethrowing. We’ll see.
Let us make it a mission to work together the next time we’re both in the same game \o/
Ngl I had the most fun talking to you d1/d2ish
Still very proud of my rajicharm and very sad that likes were disabled
This is why I was happy seeing Magnus replace in. We’re constantly saying “damn we should’ve trusted each other, let’s pretend we’re masons next game”. Not that we’re ever particularly good at doing so, but it’s a nice thought. I’m happy to have this nice thought with you as well.
Writing a thesis RN about how likes being disabled hinders town collaboration as it’s harder to silently agree with cases and you get a lot less casual feedback on/appreciation for effortposting because unless someone disagrees with you they’re not going to go out of their way to just send a post that amounts to 
Thankfully it’s all about intent so you should be fine 
@Magnus Good game, by the way, and you were a massively positive influence on it for the short time you had. Thank you for Talking About Reads with me and others, thank you for making a proper case on us that motivated me, if only for a little, to do the best work I did all game, and thank you for trusting us by the end of things.
I will lose so many games that it will be undeniable that there must be some kind of intent problem - surely someone could not be that bad for that long unless it was on purpose? You will run statistical tests and they will say no, there’s no way this was random chance.
And it won’t be on purpose, of course.
All of this will happen, I can assure you. Do not attempt to argue that that’s not how the site’s moderation works, or that it’s completely implausible; it is an inevitability, and one that I have foreseen. All there is to do about it is sit back and watch me lose games.
Interesting.
I’ll remember this for future.
Alright, for real next time.
Join BOTF XVII please.
(We didn’t even do it as a hydra, we suck at trusting each other.)
But then I’d tarnish my perfect longform Blood on the Clocktower record - one for one, a carry. How could I do that? Also I don’t know enough about BotF to feel comfortable navigating a UPick version, as that’s likely to be even more chaotic than your average BotF game, mechanically
Well, I mean, that time you were right to suspect me for once, as I was revealed postmortem to be a lost wolf.
Do we nerds who didn’t die get spec chat or nah
I’m an archivist. I need my logs to be complete
There’s a right way and a wrong way to critique someone’s play and there’s a right time and a wrong time to do it.
I didn’t want you to tell me I’m wolf siding shit town who lost this game. If I wanted criticism on my play I’d of asked for it. I think that’s an important thing some people want your insight others don’t and after this game I didn’t want to listen to more people bashing me. I got bashed enough.
I got bashed in thread. I got bashed in chats I was not in and couldn’t defend myself. I got to play the punching bag for days. I didn’t want or need your criticism and I think after me saying one time that this game upset me that should’ve been apparent. I don’t think i should’ve had to have gotten to the point of saying fuck off.
There are times where a game ends and i say hey soz I sucked ass what can I do better
There are also times where I already feel like fucking shit and I don’t want to hear it anymore. I think that people should be able to ask before they recieve criticism.
Like I don’t mind clarifying if you ask why I made choices I made. But when I feel like utter trash and I cried multiple times during the game maybe I don’t want to listen to more people telling me I lost the game and wolf sided after the game.
Especially since I did what I thought was the best thing for town each and every day. I didn’t fucking throw I played bad it happens.
It’s a forum whisper made public.
Blood on the Forums isn’t too difficult to understand, and a UPick is fairly easy to understand as well. It’s still an open script, after all.
I’m going to be honest. Blaming one player solely for a loss is ridiculous, as losing is a team result same with winning. Every town had their part on why their result was a loss.