The beatings will continue until townplay improves - Mafia Wins

[Io-1]

@Zone_Q11

I townread Daeron and have soweli and Neon as null, but I don’t like Neon’s (and childe’s) ISO compared to soweli’s ISO.

@Daeron

im here
I cant believe im being wagoned lol
Zone & frostwolf are hardcleared town because of me

Townreading one another. Note to myself to check their posts to see if there’s progression.

@Io-1

I felt like Daeron’s snapreads earlier were forced if not fake.

I don’t, however, think they were bad faith. That is to say, I think they were forced but I don’t think that means Daeron did it because he’s a wolf.

I don’t even remember what I was referring to here! Though I’m glad I posted this. It allows me to follow up on this later now that we have more information. I do this all the time, and usually get suspected for it.

@Io-1

@Daeron

Zone & frostwolf are hardcleared town because of me

I frankly haven’t seen any player consider them hardcleared town.

Why are they hardcleared?

I ask Daeron for elaboration on those two reads… and I don’t think I ever got a response.

@Zone_Q11

. . .
Why can’t we have nice things?

UNVOTE

I’m only open to vote Leafia, childe, or Neon as of now. I won’t be accepting anything else.

Hm. Would look worse if Soweli was included or wasn’t on top at the moment of this post. It still has the effect of fighting against the top two wagons, of which, Daeron (his hypothetical packmate) is one of them.

@Zone_Q11

No, but I have less faith in the three aforementioned names being Town than everyone else. (Though I do townread Daeron.)

…okay, now I’m getting tunneled on this theory.

[Zone_Q11]

@Io-1

[Scumlean]
pandora
gummy

[Scumread]
Neon
Chomps

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I think it’s either a Chomps/gummy world or a Neon/pandora world, and if it’s the latter, then I bet that pandora will repeat the same shtick as SOD2 at SOD3.

@Zone_Q11 how has this changed since Gummy flipped villager? Do you still think it’s within Neon/Pandora/Chomps, or is Chomps now cleared from this pool as they would be paired with Gummy only?

Just woke up from “a nap” …urgh, it’s bloody 4 AM in the morning, so I haven’t thought about it much. (The “other activity” is ongoing as well…)

The reason I paired Chomps and gummy was because both scumread me and Neon despite me trying to get Neon executed.
The reason I paired Neon and pandora was because I didn’t know who else could’ve been paired with Neon. Chomps had voted Neon, but quickly unvoted and redirected his attention to me, so they might be W/W?

I can’t read someone who’s actively not playing the game (e.g., childe and Neon), but at least Neon was attempting to catch up. “Was.” From what little I’ve seen of D3, his posts has become as useful as childe’s. I think he could very well be an UTR Mafia.

[Io-1]

@Zone_Q11

It took me two attempts to fully comprehend this post, and from what I’ve skimmed it seems that more complex (i.e., not easy-to-digest posts) start to pop up after this post.

Daeron, by the powers that is cheese, I hereby appoint you as D1 leader. Lead da wae.

Hmm. A post like this feels unpartnered, but I don’t want to trust my gut read for partner interactions on a slot who has reportedly won their past two wolf games off spew.

[Io-1]

@Zone_Q11

. . .
Hey, how about we go here instead:

VOTE: gummy

@Zone_Q11

Do you have another candidate besides pandora?

@Zone_Q11

Actually. I have her on scumread right now anyway. I might as well do it.

VOTE: pandora

@Zone_Q11

@soweli

I think that gummy’s been pretty towny especially d2,

Which part in particular made you think this?

Vanishing right here is quite wolfy. I believe I noticed this during the end of day rush, but didn’t pivot on it or have enough time to look back.

I might be tunneling, but it looks like you cared about who went over and yet you’re not present to push over Pandora or change your vote. Yet as far as I recall, you showed up to the end of Day 1. Perhaps because your partner was in trouble…?

[Zone_Q11]

Correct. I don’t recall what made my past self townread Daeron, but my N2 and current impression of him is that he is town despite some of his questionable play style.

[Zone_Q11]

I “vanished” because I blacked out from exhaustion, (EOD is at 11 PM for me) and the only reason I woke up 24 hours ago (at 4 AM) was because of my alarm.

I was able to push my body before, but forcing myself to stay awake for a longer period of time messes with one’s sleep rhythm.

[Io-1]

@Zone_Q11

Correct. I don’t recall what made my past self townread Daeron, but my N2 and current impression of him is that he is town despite some of his questionable play style.

I think you’ve said this is normal for you. Do you usually refresh what exactly made you think this way?

[Io-1]

@Zone_Q11

I “vanished” because I blacked out from exhaustion, (EOD is at 11 PM for me) and the only reason I woke up 24 hours ago (at 4 AM) was because of my alarm.

I was able to push my body before, but forcing myself to stay awake for a longer period of time messes with one’s sleep rhythm.

Honestly, fair. I don’t think it’s valuable to push on activity like that when it’s not a demonstrated pattern and could easily be real life like this.

[Zone_Q11]

Not for everyone. Usually my reads -in this game, AFAIK- get updated every Night based on the content written at the Day.

However, I don’t recall Daeron doing much at D2. (Hang on, lemme try to remember what he did… Yep. Nothing until EOD2 IIRC.) So I defaulted back to using my N1 reads.

[Io-1]

I have very little confidence in townreading Pandora, based on what I’ve said before and also what others have told me. I struggle, though, to see who Pandora would be partnered with.

Pandora is simply unpaired with Zone. I don’t think Zone ever parks on his teammate Pandora when they’re possibly in risk of getting killed and leaves thread as he said. I think if he knew he was about to fall asleep, then he would’ve stayed on Gummy or voted someone other than his partner.

Daeron… it’s possible, I suppose? I think Daeron pushed there quite hard in his posts near the end of Day 1, but that could very well be antispew and mean nothing, since I don’t believe he put much weight behind his word with a vote. To be fair, his hand was forced as far as I’m aware because of self-preservation.

I think Chomps and Neon are town. They could be partners though if I’m continuing to just be wrong.

That leaves Childe… which is a tough pill to swallow.

[Io-1]

Pandora
Neon
Chomps
Childe
Daeron
Zone

From towniest to wolfiest. I believe my thoughts are much more nuanced than an ordered list like such can provide, however I still get some satisfaction from ordering it this way.

[Zone_Q11]

So… basically you flipped my reads and then moved pandora on top.

[Io-1]

If you’d like to think of it that way, then sure; but it had nothing to do with your reads.

[Io-1]

@Io-1

but it had nothing to do with your reads.

It had nothing to do specifically targeting your reads.*

[Zone_Q11]

Sure. FWIW I still townread you because of an obsolete criteria from my homesite. I hope you’ll have better luck at XYLO Tomorrow though.

[monkey]

ImaginaryNeon (1): Zone_Q11

Not Voting (6): pandora, Chomps, Daeron, ImaginaryNeon, childe, Io-1

[Chomps]

I feel like lo-1 is town and I should sheep them here, if they’re wolf I think town isn’t winning tbh

Also Daeron lead two confidently wrong wagons so I am not towning him anymore

[childe]

@Io-1

@childe what have you done that you think is the towniest? If you have a solve, who do you think the wolves are?

Ummm scratches my butt
even though I wouldn’t have voted if I knew daeron was gonna do it right with me

I think voting in the first place was my. towniest thing
cause. I’m being confident in my reads even though i was wrong
That’s like good I think
I don’t really like to self-meta because I’m not usually paying attention to the things I say as either alignment
But I think I don’t usually do that as mafia or generally end up more afk as scum
You can read that Fortress of Lunacy game as an example
Meowl was my alt

I think I have to reread Neon/Zone/Daeron but I think there is one/two in that group tbh
I had Neon high in my list over tone but I feel like that’s losing its validity as time goes by and they. don’t Do anything.

[Daeron]

Chomps is copy/pasting a pandora post on lo-1 while simultaneously taking a completely bad faith representation of how the wagons were actually created
Not only did I not lead leafia’s wagon, I wasn’t confident on it, but even if I did lead leafia’s wagon and was confident that still doesn’t mean I’m mafia

Looks terrible for Chomps

[Daeron]

@Io-1

I ask Daeron for elaboration on those two reads… and I don’t think I ever got a response.

Overexaggeration on Zone’s slot because he wasn’t the original one to make the read, but absolutely on Frostwolf
Frostwolf’s wallpost near midday d1 towncleared them