The beatings will continue until townplay improves - Night 1 - 10/11

[ImaginaryNeon]

@Frostwolf103

@pandora

@Frostwolf103 anything to add

@pandora

let’s execute all of the zeroposters

On mountainous vanilla game? No way! At least not far from the truth, its just not mafia indicative.

TIL that FoL votecounts don’t show each player’s post counts

so uh yeah this is the best I can do for this part of it

[ImaginaryNeon]

apparently I missed #81 in my sheet but that has been rectified

[soweli]

Close! I have not been posting, which is different from being UTR.

[soweli]

This is… Quite odd pheasing is it not? Like as is i agree 3/3 because i havent been putting much effort into reading zone/frost and don’t feel strongly enough on anyone else* to not have at least some pushback atm.

Im slowly backreading in reverse order & don’t like daeron, mainly stemming from the readslist but also the push on neon.

… Did i make the post on how i dont have neon non-mash meta (i dont think its going to be too helpful to read wiylthout meta**)

**ok theres actually a decently solid way in figuring out neon’s ends & how well he is reaching these ends, because otherwise the spreadsheet baffles me.

[soweli]

Dont see anything particularly good about wallposts & I think pressure votes are stupid, or at the very least NAI. Checkmate.

[soweli]

Id probably go

Hesitant townread (Not fully convinced either can’t be wolf but it’d be hard): lo-1 (i think specifically the defense against leafia made it click. Which is odd), pandora (was obvtowning), Chomps (weakest here just doesnt feel right despite his posts looking fine)

Weak Townlean (i forgot my reasoning): gummy, zone, leafia

Nice little void (null): Neon, frost, childe

Daeron

[soweli]

Ok i was gaslighting myself on behalf of other people to think chomps had better posts and while it’s all inoffensive it also just does nothing. Let me consider.

[soweli]

Neon is… Kind of snarky in response to daeron? That is technically a thing i can read him on.

@ImaginaryNeon what are your reads

[soweli]

Having read zone I grow more cobfident in him being town but can’t attatch it to a particular reason.

This isn’t as bad as it could be, since nobody who has zone as a wolf seems to have much reasoning there either but still it feels rude, I’ll try to formulate it again; It does probably expand from feeling non-agenda’d.

[soweli]

@Leafia

If I was a wolf, I’d be way more active than this

I would tend to agree but this doesn’t amount to much, I think the way that leafia is making reads is good, like the lo-1 point was pretty insightful, while the townreads don’t feel forced (note my bias as one of leafia’s townreads), the progression on gummy feels natural i suppose. Considering moving her up a tier.

[Leafia]

@childe

Ya you’re mean and I’m really offended by this. Pls delete thanks.

I do not appreciate anyone doubting me. Town will always win with me here…

Sounds a bit wolfy to me.

@Io-1

Okay. It’s clear that sticking to Chomps hasn’t had nearly as much of the intended effect.

VOTE: Soweli

I’m going to give you (Chomps) space. I want to see you develop reads like you had before, and I think perhaps my approach of pressure just isn’t working. So I see no reason to pray that something changes. Hopefully this works better for the both of us.

Also, the votecount makes me uncomfortable and I would like to change it from the current form. I don’t feel like there’s any cohesion or trust forming.

So, I additionally want to help form a consensus. I want anyone who sees this post and reads this part to post some of their strongest townreads. The hope is that a consensus could be formed even if it’s imperfect, because I believe that without a consensus we stand much less of a chance of winning.

I’ll start. I think Pandora’s a villager, and I get the feeling that with Leafia’s most recent post a lot of us (me included) also thought it came from town.

I chose not to name Gummy because I want to reflect more on their dynamic with Leafia. I got the distinct impression that Gummy firmly believed Leafia was a wolf, and it struck me as strange that Gummy unvoted promptly and insinuated it was for a reaction fish. If it was a reaction fish, I would’ve expected Gummy to have asked me why I disagreed and had more of a conversation about it rather than what actually happened:

This post seems pretty villagery to me. I need to rethink things. UNVOTE

@Zone_Q11

You say that, when you were literally the reason I can no longer inherently trust you. Your play in Ice Cream FM (the first one) scarred me so much, that I cannot trust you based on your behavior alone.

You really are learning then. ^_^ Good for you!

@Chomps

Exercise, I want everyone to give three names they wont mind to see executed the most, I.E. their wolfreads but give me 3 gth

Gummy
Zone
Daeron

I’d say those are my three.

@iamagummybear

soweli, zone, leafia??? idfk

You literally got done saying how you think I’m town now…

@ImaginaryNeon

I’m literally the neonest neon to ever neon

I can confirm. Great to be in a game with you again Neon.

[soweli]

Wow I just made like 8 posts in a row that is crazy. I would only do this as town.

(I have been trying to think about whether the wolfreads on me are justified, which when a lot of them are “I haven’t seen much” it boils down to, ignoring subjectivities, if my posts have been towny; which I do think they are but it is a tough call and I can’t point to anything in particular; i am ‘organizing’ thoughts in ways I don’t do as mafia, and am actually motivated* but thats largely an internal feeling)

*you want to guess what happened after interacting with lo-1 that made me stop posting? Spoilers: I got dismotivated

[soweli]

Note i’ve read frost’s ISO, not particularly opposed to the town reading of those posts but didn’t draw conclusions of my own.

[soweli]

VOTE: Daeron

I think hes wolfy but also want to realtime with him to get more confident.

[Leafia]

This is LAMIST as f. VOTE: Soweli

[Leafia]

Now to prepare food to eat.

[Leafia]

[soweli]

The point about my consecutive posting was a jab at people who have townread me for that as wolf… Who are not here.

Anyhow the odd thing with daeron is that i dont disagree with his townreads but his pushes … I don’t see it as impossible for gummy/lo-1 to be wolves but it also just feels wrong both in the individual sense of not having seen compelling arguments towards either but also (connectedly i suppose) it feels lazy* as a worldview.

*probably the wrong adjective

[pandora]

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[pandora]

good morning