The beatings will continue until townplay improves - Night 1 - 10/11

[pandora]

zone openly deliberating in thread is something i remember from ice cream where he was wolf and do not remember from projmoon where he was town. just saying

[iamagummybear]

uhm zone was wolf in projmoon

[Frostwolf103]

@pandora

@Frostwolf103 anything to add

@pandora

let’s execute all of the zeroposters

On mountainous vanilla game? No way! At least not far from the truth, its just not mafia indicative.

@Daeron

if chomps is mafia, soweli/gummy are T/T

@Daeron

gummy has started to wolf post

Newflash for Daeron, since nothing is certain about Chomps or Iamagummybear for Daeron, I take a look myself

@Chomps

soweli wl
gummy tl

@iamagummybear

how do people begin posting in d1

@soweli

I mean I’m special so I just do it; you can try RVS if you want

@iamagummybear

see i read you as town for being so hyperspecific about the fellow thing

bc i feel like mafia would just say fellow and post

but this is a really weak read and ive definitely said similar things as mafia

@soweli

hi fellow best town team 2025 members

(I said fellow because i initially omitted it but then I thought somebody was going to accuse me for acting as if i was not one; if i really cared i would write a different post)

Likewise Chomp’s judgement on gummybear and soweli at that time wasn’t anything worth to note, better than nothing sure.

But I also quoted Daeron

@iamagummybear

i don’t know what you’re saying here, sorry.

like the crux of the reason daeron is voting me is bc “i didn’t make any reads in my 28 posts” when i did and they were separate posts lol

so yes my argument is “you aren’t reading my posts” because if daeron had read my posts, he would have seen that i did in fact make reads lol

@iamagummybear

see i read you as town for being so hyperspecific about the fellow thing

bc i feel like mafia would just say fellow and post

but this is a really weak read and ive definitely said similar things as mafia

@Daeron

I mean I silently preface but not so silent now I need to make a point, but I silently preface these reads by appending them with ‘lean’ and also with the knowledge they were made before even 100 posts had been made

but your concern with your own posting above all else is a wolf tell, it’s like you’re speaking to yourself on an objective basis because you’re analysing your own town play, which wolves usually do in an attempt to appear as, well, their regular town play

@Daeron

VOTE: iamagummybear has made 28 posts and not a single read

until that changes my vote remains here

I shall join on that wagon and consider gummy is wolflean to me, but I will ignore the scale weighing Gummy wolf for Chomps/Soweli town because the two of them has yet to prove themselves town

VOTE: iamagummybear

@soweli

general plans to improve townplay?

In a way gummybear is like this too

@soweli

Daeron is literally posting thoughts i had but didn’t want to post right now i’m calling drama mill on him

@soweli

(ftr I was going at it from a slightly different, but quite similar angle of “gummy’s largely posting about thoughts that aren’t necessarily formulated within the context of the game”… though I also figured best practice was just to let it simmer around for a bit with gummy in particular since I didn’t see it being particularly productive to post right then.)

@soweli

uhh so this is the fun one where I should be saying “yeah daeron’s just town” but I don’t think I’ve seen anything that distinguishes his play from just “early-game setting up pushes on players” which is what I expect them to do as town. So null is the real answer but my heart is trying to say town.

@soweli

wait why I don’t like it because it’s not really progressing anything; like I thought about it earlier and I don’t really have any townreads, besides maybe Chomps

I think Daeron’s not fake on solving, unless it’s for the reasons that Daeron were pushing on something else, like gummy pointed out that Daeron would have seen Gummy made a weak townlean enough to be considered a read and Daeron’s accusation says ‘not a single read’

Also Soweli says ‘maybe’ at likely how he responded to Chomps “Soweli WL, Gummy TL”

@Chomps

awkward entrance and follow ups

@soweli

ok why does this mean i’m mafia

@Chomps

it doesn’t, they are reads made on like 20 posts

@Chomps

gummy is more natural

Chomps expanded the context from what he said earlier about the leans and that also means Soweli has incentive townleaning Chomps because he’s paying attention to the thread, although Soweli wasn’t sure if this is the right call seeing Chomps as town yet.

The last wallpost posted by Soweli can be summarized in these following words: Gummy, Daeron

@soweli

That being said I do think that Daeron’s criticisms are not quite valid in that gummy has in fact made townreads on me & pandora & explained read on me when prompted

@soweli

Ok so syllogistically you’re arguing

1. If Daeron had read your posts, they would know whether or not you have made reads
2. You have made reads
3. Daeron does not know that you have made reads
   Therefore Daeron did not read your posts. (roughly you can probably split it up differently and maybe correct-er-ly)

Also hi to everyone who skipped the wallpost lol

[iamagummybear]

im confused on why you think im wolf

i couldn’t understand it from the longposts above

[iamagummybear]

@Frostwolf103 can you explain please

[iamagummybear]

can everyone who sheeped daeron explain

thread is so quiet:(

[Frostwolf103]

I am following on the train of ‘guilty until proven innocent’, in my words it’s called pressure and unlike Soweli who has doubts about Daeron, shouldn’t hold back to agree that Daeron has validation to suspect you.

Yes, the argument is whether you haven’t made any reads and I am sure you understand from my initial wallpost I did my research, it will become more clear.

[iamagummybear]

alrighty

if you have any qs for me just ask

[Frostwolf103]

You mentioned Pandora being townlean in one of your posts, hopefully there’s more to it?

[iamagummybear]

it’s a meta-read

i specced ice cream maf 2 and played project moon and she was significantly more carefree and random posting than when she was mafia in odyssey with me

i think she’s spoken about being able to subvert her own meta but she’s too relaxed here to be maf imo so i gave her a pretty strong townread

[Frostwolf103]

@iamagummybear

i think she’s spoken about being able to subvert her own meta but she’s too relaxed here to be maf imo so i gave her a pretty strong townread

@iamagummybear

she was significantly more carefree and random posting than when she was mafia in odyssey with me

Pandora figured a plan to execute the slankers first, standard procedure hoping to catch a low posting wolf. She did ping (me included) to start posting.

It’s not exactly this random surely.

[Zone_Q11]

UNVOTE

The formation of gummy’s wagon… It isn’t without resistance, but it bother me how we got to L-2 within less than 12 hours.

If gummy’s Mafia, then that implies Town managed to find wolf and put her as top wagon within the first 200 posts. I don’t have faith in Town. I don’t believe we can do that. This game in itself is proof why I shouldn’t trust in Town.

The wagon itself has to have at least 1 Town in it. There are only 2 Mafia. If it is tainted (i.e., has at least 1 Mafia), then that’s reason to not vote gummy. If it is pure, then I still don’t believe in it.

I voted gummy somewhat as a joke, somewhat as means to get her to talk more. (Even though I don’t use the posts that comes out of the pressure; minus points for me.) But others are either Daeron or sheeps. Daeron looks fine; he’s the wagon starter. If he’s Town, then he made a read and used his vote properly. If he’s Mafia, then at least he started a conversation.

No. My issue is with the sheep. Why are Leafia and Frost sheeping Daeron? –actually, Frost already explained his reason to sheep. (Sounds reasonable, FWIW.) I should instead look into Leafia Today.

[Zone_Q11]

VOTE: Leafia

[iamagummybear]

@Zone_Q11

, somewhat as means to get her to talk more.

did you want me to talk more or talk with more substance more

[Zone_Q11]

Talk more in general. I come from a site where people tend to slank unless they get voted up. I see you’re top poster, but uh. old habits die hard.

Speaking of which… (If you were to have a) gun to (your) head: Who do you want dead Today?
(Abbreviated to GTH henceforth.)

[Frostwolf103]

@Zone_Q11

The wagon itself has to have at least 1 Town in it. There are only 2 Mafia.

Between Gummy, Daeron, Leafia, yourself and me.
That leaves Pandora, Chomps, Neon, Lo-1, childe and Soweli.

So if I understand you correctly

@Zone_Q11

If gummy’s Mafia, then that implies Town managed to find wolf and put her as top wagon within the first 200 posts. I don’t have faith in Town. I don’t believe we can do that. This game in itself is proof why I shouldn’t trust in Town.

You don’t trust it’s too easy for two mafia already caught and believe the other mafia is on the second row of players I mentioned because if leafia is mafia that makes gummy town?

[iamagummybear]

@Zone_Q11

I see you’re top poster, but uh. old habits die hard.

yeah that’s why i asked lol

i don’t slank

@Zone_Q11

Speaking of which… (If you were to have a) gun to (your) head: Who do you want dead Today?

uhm like you said i didn’t really like the people who just gunned for my head with little reasoning but frost feels ~town

in odyssey he had ~similar posting (granted i don’t know his posting as mafia) but hippo kinda described him as having good reads with secretish reasoning that was good but hard to understand if you were not frostwolf and like i am getting that vibe there

i don’t really like leafia which is a cop out i understand

Io-1 feels like they know more about mafia than they’re letting on, and i think they were trying to perhaps advance agenda with pressure on chomps a lil there but they’re new so im not sure

i think soweli and chomps have been playing differently (chomps said he would be out of his meta but idk if he’s trying to say that bc he’s mafia) and this isn’t a bad thing it just means i need more time before i can resolve slots

im fairly confident that pandora is town

now you i have no fucking idea how to read- i was wrong twice consecutively and i would be more than a little annoyed if i thought you were town when you were maf

so basically i don’t have that much to say yet but leafia on principle ig

[Zone_Q11]

I am taking multiple hypotheses.
If [Daeron/Leafia/Frost] has…

• 0 wolves, then I will begin to doubt gummy is Mafia. (Because based on this game’s name, townplay is terrible.)
• 1-2 wolves, then gummy is Town.

@Frostwolf103

You don’t trust it’s too easy for two mafia already caught

This implies 1~2 of the gummy-voters are wolves. If such were the case, then I’d look into Leafia first before I go look at you or Daeron.

@Frostwolf103

believe the other mafia is on the second row of players

This is the world where gummy’s wagon is pure. If I’m wrong about my “pure wagon implies gummy Town because Town’s reads suck” and gummy is actually Mafia, then I’d look into pandora, yes.

@Frostwolf103

if leafia is mafia that makes gummy town?

Back to the world where 1~2 wolves are voting gummy: Yes.

[iamagummybear]

like ngl zone i feel like you tried to make some BS up in hindsight on how you voted me to make me talk more even tho i was hella posting this entire day

[iamagummybear]

if you wanted people to talk you would vote like. childe. or frostwolf. or 1o who were zero to low posting so far