I’d consider Jaiden, Carbonated are cleared from my PoE. Pandora is the townread I hearsay agree with Jaiden for this.
Believing Ishmael and mistyx are better off than childe, the only player I imagine that’s partnered with childe would be Apennine.
Of course that leaves also you, but I don’t believe in coincidences you randed twice. I’d be open for re-eval.
BUT!
Mistyx’s the one that want to CFD, Ishmael asks Mistyx which wagon prefer otherwise, so that leaves room for two of them partner of childe instead.
Evaluate me not for the fate laid bare by the gods, but for my words actions. My behavior define my alignment. Read me; not my circumstance.
(Also I randed Mafia thrice in a row, so you’d have to doubt if I had randed four times in a row.)
I still disagree with your read on childe, but I am no babysitter either. I have given it my defense, and if childe doesn’t use my ISO and/or if you disagree on why I disagree with your arguments, then I will not push this matter any further.
I also see Ishmael and Mistyx as worse off than childe based on my reads and my gut, but this is merely a difference of opinions between the two of us. There is no need to fuss over it.
As for apennine… I’d like to see more concrete content from her as well. I broke the mold by stopping the pressure on Jaiden. I would like to see if she will do the same, or double down by tunneling Jaiden.
Of course not,
Just laying down my current view.
thought he was playing somewhat hands-off relative to what i expect of his town game
Granted it is fair.
Can you please try to explain how you reached this concusion? What specifically proved them as town?
Which takes feel iffy?
LMAO. this analogy is so funny stop i can’t
anyway the subsequent post interpretation is preeeetty good and Zone’s point is also great. Town stocks 
At least fmpov it felt pushy towards me. But then again I am me and of course I will interpret it that way. But when you said oh it’s carbon mafia boom bye that felt needlessly aggressive and pushy.
better give one than not :)
um yes i would think you would know if you were on a team with someone else and paired with them… so you mean that you think who is townleaning and who is scumleaning etc?
i got snailed. again. well at least i know this isn’t just my own bias.
yes they’re both dead… it’s not like this is a non-vanilla bastard game with fake flips
Read again. You and Ishmael stand out as the worst voters on the train.
This is so funny because I noticed this and went who is “bummy” and then I promptly forgot to mention this. Thank you zone.
what else do you want from me to answer. cuz if they’re both wolves that has to be a hell of a strange move to go at each other like that early on.
and i’m also not following your logic at all sorry
where did i say i was agreeing on both scenarios
LMAO this is so funny to me cuz English is actually my second language(idk where frost is from) but if you were talking about me that is a really f’ing funny nail on the head
walk me through this thinking
i need explanations if possible. substance is required
I don’'t think there were enough holes to warrant a vote necessarily? (idk at least from my reading) most of the posting seemed fine enough? for the most part today anyway?
I was referring to Frost. IIRC he’s also from the Netherlands like me.
what is it with the dutch and FM
i play off gut shots but if you want o i can still dig in
IDK what you are referring to, but please read this:
it’s being collated.
also you know i run off gut shots and no real long form thoughts as both scum and town so idk what you’re expecting other than various incompressible strings of text
I am already working with childe, Frost, and Jaiden. Whatever strings of text you have, I’ll take it whenever you’re satisfied with them.
ah i see i see
yes I do want more thoughts. something you read is giving you a gutread. It’s impossible not to have evidence…
i mean yeah i didn’t say there were holes
sorry @apennine i was gonna answer you earlier but i legit just forgot - idr feel good about the jaiden take, it feels like you just think she’s acting wolfy and not that she’s acting like a wolf
i don’t think that’s necessarily a wolf exclusive thing but i think that wolves are often going to take that sort of approach in this situation
jaiden is an easy push for wolves because a) counterwagon d1 and b) n1 kill scumread them
when in practice i don’t actually think spooky got killed for any one specific read, moreso just being a thread leader + strong townread by a couple people
that might point to childe because it might have done the thing i do sometimes as a wolf where i think someone looks obviously towny and misparse how thread in general feels on them
I don’t really disagree with you there! My read on Jaiden isn’t a confident one.
I think Jaiden’s tone has felt like town to me, and broadly I would agree that she isn’t “acting like a wolf”. My issue is mostly that I’m having trouble connecting the dots on how her reads are forming (or if the game-related thoughts are genuine) and it feels possible to me that mafia could hide behind sarcasm and indignation to obfuscate any inconsistencies or struggles to give real-sounding reads.
Trying to remove myself from it emotionally, I… don’t think that’s terribly likely. I may be being stubborn out of not wanting to give it a pass because it would be a particularly frustrating thing for mafia to get away with and I don’t like rewarding it.