The beatings will continue until townplay improves: Part 2 - The Chessening - Night 3 (6/11)

[Frostwolf103]

@Zone_Q11

You suspect carbonated has a hidden agenda or TMI, which is why you voted her. (P#418)

Correct, explained it on #760 just now. I did double-check later after I vote on which scenario carbonated is agreeing with spookcat, told me it’s unpaired. I’d say I am disappointed.

@Zone_Q11

You saw the gummy flashwagon and wanted to be part of it, because you think that being part of a wagon with at least one Mafia in it is good. (P#564, P#649)

I am not as motivated I was on the first beating game, so I put myself in spotlight, aka PoE, willingly due having understood carbonated isn’t taking a stance between you and Jaiden.

@Zone_Q11

You saw spooky “thinking hard” about childe, and ended up voting childe. (P#582, P#591) Except later you say that your “wagonomics” tells you -somehow- that childe is Mafia. (P#631)

Spooky is thinking over what Gummy says about childe being mafia makes you mafia, in my perspective when I ask Spooky about this, I assume spooky is talking about gummy so I moved my vote out of here and joined with spooky.

[Zone_Q11]

@Frostwolf103

@Zone_Q11

You saw the gummy flashwagon and wanted to be part of it, because you think that being part of a wagon with at least one Mafia in it is good. (P#564, P#649)

I am not as motivated I was on the first beating game, so I put myself in spotlight, aka PoE, willingly due having understood carbonated isn’t taking a stance between you and Jaiden.

I personally still don’t understand how [willingly putting oneself in POE] is a reasonable argument to have for both v!Frost and w!Frost, so I’ll just have to sum this up as us having different values of common sense.

@Frostwolf103

@Zone_Q11

You saw spooky “thinking hard” about childe, and ended up voting childe. (P#582, P#591) Except later you say that your “wagonomics” tells you -somehow- that childe is Mafia. (P#631)

Spooky is thinking over what Gummy says about childe being mafia makes you mafia, in my perspective when I ask Spooky about this, I assume spooky is talking about gummy so I moved my vote out of here and joined with spooky.

Okay, this is a reasonable argument for you to switch your vote to gummy… except this is the chronological order:

@childe

i wanna vote gummy

@spookycat27

VOTE: gummy

@Mistyx

VOTE: gummy

@childe

i almost never vote it is a bad habit sorry
VOTE: gummy

@Aleph

VOTE: gummy

ive heard worse cfd targets

@Frostwolf103

Interesting spotlight, very well I accept

VOTE: gummy

@spookycat27

@iamagummybear

I think if childe is maf zone might be their partner

mmmmmmm

@Frostwolf103

So what are you thinking?

@spookycat27

I’m thinking on if I think it’s a townie thought process

@Frostwolf103

Then then then??

@Frostwolf103

VOTE: Childe

This?

spooky was indeed thinking whether gummy’s thought process came from town or not, but you then voted childe.

So now I ask: How did you end up voting childe?

[Frostwolf103]

@Zone_Q11

spooky was indeed thinking whether gummy’s thought process came from town or not, but you then voted childe.

Because I come in agreement even though it’s too late to change, because the majority rather wait it out.

[Frostwolf103]

Consider this right: Carbonated, Jaiden and Gummy were no go

I’d vote one of Gummy’s voters instead.

[Zone_Q11]

@Frostwolf103

and joined with spooky.

spooky never left to go after childe. He went after gummy and stayed there. So: How did you end up with childe?

What wagonomics information did you get from…

this

@Frostwolf103

carbonated (3): Aleph, Frostwolf103, pandora
Jaiden (3): Zone_Q11, apennine, spookycat27
Frostwolf103 (1): Mistyx
childe (1): iamagummybear

Not Voting (3): childe, carbonated, Jaiden

@MagnusCarlsen

Voutecount

Jaiden (4): Zone_Q11, apennine, spookycat27, carbonated
carbonated (4): Aleph, Frostwolf103, pandora, Jaiden
Frostwolf103 (1): Mistyx
childe (1): iamagummybear

Not Voting (1): childe

@Frostwolf103

It was Carbonated versus Jaiden before we all jumped on Gummy. Wagonmatics says Childe is mafia. We can all agree the wagon wasn’t pure. It will be madness to say it is pure.

…that you somehow ended up scumreading childe? Because FMPOV this “wagonomics” is not telling me anything.

[Frostwolf103]

@Zone_Q11

…that you somehow ended up scumreading childe? Because FMPOV this “wagonomics” is not telling me anything.

childe is worse off than the remaining voters

[Frostwolf103]

Not because childe waited too long to make a choice,

@Mistyx

i don’t like either of these wagons

Jaiden (4): Zone_Q11, apennine, spookycat27, carbonated
carbonated (3): Aleph, Frostwolf103, pandora (+ Jaiden = 4)

But because voting gummy without a real reason to do so.

[Frostwolf103]

Somehow not thinking about carbonated and Jaiden.

[Zone_Q11]

@Frostwolf103

@Zone_Q11

spooky was indeed thinking whether gummy’s thought process came from town or not, but you then voted childe.

Because I come in agreement even though it’s too late to change, because the majority rather wait it out.

Elaborate. In agreement of what?

Also: It’s too late to change wagons at literally 30 seconds before EOD. Spooky openly thought about gummy’s post at 2 minutes before EOD. You made your vote on childe with minimal explanation at 20 seconds before EOD. How would you expect anyone to perform another flashwagon within the span of 20 seconds, when you didn’t -or rather couldn’t, given the time restraint- explain why everyone should move to childe?

@Frostwolf103

Consider this right: Carbonated, Jaiden and Gummy were no go

I’d vote one of Gummy’s voters instead.

The entire premise is odd to begin with: Why would [carbonated, Jaiden, gummy] be “no go”?

[Frostwolf103]

@Zone_Q11

You made your vote on childe with minimal explanation at 20 seconds before

What matter for me I still spirtually voted Gummy because I want to work on hypothetical scenario that only one mafia voted here and I want to be unpaired with such, proving I am town instead.

@Zone_Q11

Why would [carbonated, Jaiden, gummy] be “no go”?

think back of the first game, I work through the first suspects and I believe between these three were proven town, so I move on.

[Zone_Q11]

@Frostwolf103

childe is worse off than the remaining voters

Elaborate. Worse off how? What is different about childe compared to the other voters?

@Frostwolf103

Not because childe waited too long to make a choice,

I’m going full defense on childe here.

childe had already stated it is unaccustomed to voting when they were voting gummy:

@childe

i almost never vote it is a bad habit sorry
VOTE: gummy

In fact, I know this fits its meta as either alignment, because this trait of childe is what irked me from past games. (I don’t like non-voters in general, so it’s easier for me to remember them.)

@Frostwolf103

But because voting gummy without a real reason to do so.

Counterpoints:

@childe

gummy felt awkward

@childe

@Zone_Q11

A… ha. Could you re-eval and elaborate more on gummy’s… “awkwardness”?

me omw to write “idk” and “vibes” for the millionth time

ok seriously though um. i look for awkward tone a lot so its always in my reads in some form.
i guess it’s generally the shorter replies with a minimal amount of actual like. substance/commitment to reads
or its just small forms of putting shade on others (ex. #97)
i know its gummy could just be like that (according to them) but its always off to me to see that

@Zone_Q11

Hm… Interesting.

Hey childe, could you do me a favor and make that readslist anyway? Don’t think about being wrong– you can even have as many scumreads as you want, and you don’t have to explain for each of them why you townread/scumread them. Just make a… “GTH readslist”.

And then, based on that list, I’d like for you to (eventually) ((preferably ASAP, but this is just my preference)) vote one of your scumreads.

@childe

Ok hi
Um. if i really had to say
list below. take these with a grain of salt
i have a lot of town gth and I’m not really comfortable with that but i also don’t feel right putting them as W yet
i think the slots that would be null are apenn/ishmael/jaiden

imf just bad at this game probably
i’ll be reevaluating again in the morning as there will hopefully be more to read from some people

Zone V
Bummy W
Ishmael W
Apen W
Frost V
Pandora V
Spooky V
Mistyx V []
Jaiden W

ignore the gummy picture i cant get rid of it

@childe

i wanna vote gummy

[Frostwolf103]

@Zone_Q11

Elaborate. Worse off how? What is different about childe compared to the other voters?

Between Ishmael and Misty:

@Mistyx

i don’t like either of these wagons

@Aleph

who are we cfding onto then

And here is childe:

@childe

i wanna vote gummy

I would argue that childe dont want Jaiden and Carbonated to be resolved through flip.

[Zone_Q11]

@Frostwolf103

Somehow not thinking about carbonated and Jaiden.

Regarding carbonated:

@childe

i’ll say i think my earlier list hasn’t really changed aside from mistyx potentially after i actually bother to reread
i also wgant to look at ishmael and you again today i’ll be doing that cause like yk. gth wolves.

@Zone_Q11

So from what I understand:

@childe

Zone V
Ishmael W (will re-eval)
Apen W
Frost V (will re-eval)
Pandora V
Mistyx V → W?
Jaiden W

…hey childe, I think you’re missing carbonated from your first GTH readslist.

@childe

wait omfg idid

Regarding Jaiden:

@childe

jaiden didn’t really have any posts i thought i could make a read off of/any, like, large game posts

@childe

(GTH) Jaiden W

@pandora

@childe

Jaiden W

i am so biased with jaiden. i cant read her in good conscience. help

@pandora

what do you see that i dont

@childe

with jaiden its more than there isnt really anything indicative of alignment to me and no big observations about the game
maybe aside from it standing up for gummy in #286

though if you know her better than me

[Zone_Q11]

@Frostwolf103

@Zone_Q11

You made your vote on childe with minimal explanation at 20 seconds before

What matter for me I still spirtually voted Gummy because I want to work on hypothetical scenario that only one mafia voted here and I want to be unpaired with such, proving I am town instead.

@Zone_Q11

Why would [carbonated, Jaiden, gummy] be “no go”?

think back of the first game, I work through the first suspects and I believe between these three were proven town, so I move on.

Uh… Righto. Me no comprehendo. (Both on the logic on how voting gummy would make you unpaired to whichever Mafia is supposedly in gummy’s wagon, and on reusing logic of The Cheesening.)

I’ll just sum this up as yet another “Frost does Frost stuff” and pray someone else other than me actually bothers to read through the wallposts we have made, before asking you more on your thought process.

[Zone_Q11]

@Frostwolf103

@Zone_Q11

Elaborate. Worse off how? What is different about childe compared to the other voters?

Between Ishmael and Misty:

@Mistyx

i don’t like either of these wagons

@Aleph

who are we cfding onto then

And here is childe:

@childe

i wanna vote gummy

I would argue that childe dont want Jaiden and Carbonated to be resolved through flip.

[. . .]
Y’know what, I’ll count this as “Frost’s opinion” and agree to disagree. I think you are reaching for something that doesn’t exist / is untrue, and leave it at that. IMO childe has a different play style, and you just want it to play like everyone else does.

[Zone_Q11]

Readslist v2.2

[Townread]
pandora
carbonated
childe

[Null]
Nine

[Nullscum]
Frost
Jaiden
Ishmael

[POE]
Mistyx

Happy belated P#777.
Mistyx UTR. Need more content.

VOTE: Mistyx

Mistyx, make your judgement. Vote within: [Frost, carbonated, Ishmael, apennine, childe]. If you vote outside list, then I demand an explanation why.

[Aleph (Ishmael)]

back reading now

was busy last night i do actually apologize

[Mistyx]

gm

give me a bit i wanna look back on stuff

[Aleph (Ishmael)]

jaiden is ~fine

only interested in it if someone potentially paired with it flips

zone is lock town

frost feels very off

ape is p town

carbon is eh

poe her still

quick thoughts after a quick skim

[Mistyx]

@Aleph

only interested in it if someone potentially paired with it flips

who would this be iyo?