The beatings will continue until townplay improves: Part 4 - The Crestening (Day Four - 5/11) ELO

[Leafia]

You’re definitely not relaxed enough. Which is understandable.

[Leafia]

In other news I just had a nice nap.

[Leafia]

Yes I do know what openwolfing is Hippo.

[Leafia]

@Hippopablompoyeetus

Jason do you townread pigeon more than me? Id rather pigeon vote first

I’m fine with this too.

[Leafia]

@thepigeonnyc You can vote next.

[Hippopablompoyeetus]

Yeah i mean this does feel like you have already come to a conclusion and then are trying to make a theory to justify your conclusion

[Hippopablompoyeetus]

If its me and frog and we know jason townreads pigeon and leafia (which tbf i wasnt aware jason townreads pigeon that much but if i was a wolf you can reasonably assume I would have checked lol) i think any argument thay we decide to leave all 3 alive “for paranoia” is very weak

[Hippopablompoyeetus]

While t3rm kill is just kinda weak for all teams i think its especially weak for a me/frog team

[Leafia]

Actually,scratch that. Hippo votes before Pigron. We need info on Hippo after all. So it only makes sense.

[Hippopablompoyeetus]

You realise im leaning towards voting you

[Leafia]

I know. I’m also 75% sure you’re Frog’s teammate and if you vote me and thd game doesn’t end, I’ll be proven correct in thinking thag. So I want you to vote me.

[AngryFrog]

IMO the important thing here is that jason engages w/ hippo and pidgeon. Pidgeon is probably going to avoid the thread whereas hippo is like actively solving. Maybe it will help.

[Leafia]

Besides, if you’re somehow a villager, then I think Ftog desefves the win for having the guts and balls to crossvote me instead of you. Massive kudos go to.him kn that case.

[Leafia]

The only ones actively solving Frog, are Jason and me.

[Leafia]

Also, it’s Pigeon, not Pidgeon.

[Leafia]

@jason.mrrown Hippo’s reluctance to vote before Pigeon is telling. It’s like he’s hoping Pigeon will misvote by voting me to end the game eith a wolf victory.

[Hippopablompoyeetus]

I’ve been busy and haven’t had chance to reread and case angry frog which I want to do before I make a vote

also from my pov im not super stressed about me being the next vote lol

[Hippopablompoyeetus]

also this doesn’t even make sense, if its me and angry frog i can vote you and still hope for a misvote from pigeon on you.

[Leafia]

That’s very unlikely to happen because Jason will be urging Pigeon to vote correctly if you vote me before Pigeon votes.

[Hippopablompoyeetus]

Pigeon and Angry Frog Case

1. Pigeon on Angry

So Pigeon is the very different with angry then they are with leafia, while leafia is one of the people they talk about least, angry is one of the people they talk about most. They typically express a townread on them and actively defended them a few times.

However their one and only post today is this:

@thepigeonnyc

I feel like the consensus has been Leafia Town and Frog has generally been a wolflean for a while I think?

Which is the exact opposite of what every single one of their posts on angry have been about. Literally all their posts prior today suggest a townread on Angry Frog. Other posts for context:

@thepigeonnyc

@jason.mrrown You’re voting Frog and you seem to be the person here who has the best idea of what’s going on, what is the reasoning behind executing Frog

@thepigeonnyc

Admittedly another reason why I wouldn’t want to push AngryFrog is because I would look wolf partnered with them should they flip wolf because this is the second time they’ve come out with a townread on me out of nowhere

@thepigeonnyc

I think I like AngryFrog, they seem to be trying to solve and I like their response to your interrogation. Also this:

@thepigeonnyc

I don’t really see why this is wolfy? I feel like wolves would want to change their reads to match wolfreads on townies while someone who is town and confident about their reads wouldn’t feel a need to change them

This basically suggests what I think I pretty much knew which is that it is almost certainly pigeon and one of angry/leafia. Their post today suddenly switching up saying “we’ve always had angry as more mafia” when from their own posts they quite literally never have does suggest to me they were caught off guard by angry voting Leafia and it is acrually pigeon/leafia and they suddenly need to change their read on angry frog to justify a vote on them.

However i guess could also be wifom or distancing in a world where they realise they’ve always put their mafia buddy angry as town and should now hedge the other way in case jason and I correctly vote them.

2. Angry on Pigeon

Angry reciprocates a clear townread on Pigeon too and in retrospect looks like one of the people who was keeping pigeon out of poe and less attention on them.

@AngryFrog

Yeah. If you had to choose 1 most likely slot to flip scum and 1 spicy/unique slot to flip scum who would you pick?

@AngryFrog

Idea C) 1 slot I’m townreading (soweli, leafia or pidgeonnyc) is scum that I’m misreading along with 1 slot I have not pushed yet who was offwagon. This is more of a paranoia angle that I don’t think is logical here.

@AngryFrog

Soweli, leafia, pidgeon

Conclusion

This was less helpful then I thought as I was hoping angry and pigeon would be clearly unpaired but that’s not the case. Both give each other townreads early on and have stuck with them until literally today, when both have rescinded them.

Based from how today has gone (night kill, angry’s vote, leafias mild panic theyre against angry) i still think that this team is less likely though. Also regardless of pairings i scumread leafia more. But this team would make sense looking at whole game.

What reading this has convinced me is that pigeons progression on angry - regarding the switch up post today on how angry has always been scummier - is super obvious agenda or distancing either way. Pigeon is definately on the team and I am not voting until they post more or ideally vote first.