The beatings will continue until townplay improves: Part 4 - The Crestening (Day Four - 5/11) ELO

[Leafia]

Look at Hazbin Hotel Purgatory. It’s the game where I successfully found w Hippo as a villager.

[Crest]

pandora (2): thepigeonnyc, AngryFrog
Hippopablompoyeetus (1): Leafia
T3minator (1): Hippopablompoyeetus
Leafia (1): pandora
AngryFrog (1): jason.mrrown

Not Voting (1): T3RMINATOR

[Hippopablompoyeetus]

So to be clear this is leafias only time as finding me as “scum”, even though i was a neutral benign pushing a mafia that game.

So leafias claim they find me a lot correctly is just wrong. This doesnt mean theyre 100% mafia but i dont want to get hung cuz leafias wrongly claiming to be a meta expert on me or something

[Leafia]

Wrong game. Look at Hazbin Hotel Purgatory. Took me a while to find too.

[Leafia]

@Hippopablompoyeetus

So to be clear this is leafias only time as finding me as “scum”, even though i was a neutral benign pushing a mafia that game.

So leafias claim they find me a lot correctly is just wrong. This doesnt mean theyre 100% mafia but i dont want to get hung cuz leafias wrongly claiming to be a meta expert on me or something

Like I said, Hazbin Hotel Purgatory.

[jason.mrrown]

Ok so this is what i previously wrote on frog

@jason.mrrown

I think the biggest thing frog has going for them is that their approach to the game has been p +ev. They argued for voting a lhf slot instead of active posters d1, they directed focus on whether wolves were on or off tutuu wagon d2, and they’ve been questioning people about their reads all game. Having said all that tho, those are all things that wolves can do too so I’m not clearing him

Let’s also look at frog’s progression
D1

Summary

@AngryFrog

Pidgeonnyc is probably town I think

@AngryFrog

I recall leafia being sort of townie so I’m okay with them being there. I don’t understand why pandora is on a town list–they’ve done very little based on my read of the game–and Divergent is currently voting me or at least I think they are so I’d like you to address that if you are going to be putting us in a town list together.

@AngryFrog

VOTE: frostwolf103

I think their posts look the worst out of everyone and I find their suspicion of me the least sincere out of all. Zone’s suspicion of me was kind of shrug-PoE based, leafion seemed more like townie paranoia of me, divergent I’m not sure and need to check their vote of me. There were enough players voicing suspicion of me I think scum could be in the group and frostwolf103’s suspicion of me looks like justification which -can- come from town but is (IMO) >rand scum.

@AngryFrog

First of all, I’ve never seen scum question the logic of why Mislimming is still better than Sleeping. Second of all, I saw them say some stuff a few times now throughout D1 while I was reading the thread and they ping >town. Also thank you for reminding me about pidgeon; I’m at frostwolf103 scum, pidgeon town, soweli town and leafion town

@AngryFrog

Okay, I disagree that tutuu is >rand scum here, I think they’re null at worst and maybe even >town. I think frostwolf103 is maybe a little >rand scum and also not putting any effort into their reads. I think either could hit scum but will probably miss. I think mislim tutuu will be greater potential loss.

D2

Summary

@AngryFrog

Zone is a good kill for my solve because I did not have them as town D1. I agree with soweli that it’s worth looking into their slot later and doing NKA. I’m not optimistic about tutuu’s legacy because it was just D1 and I already know one of the main suspects was myself (lol) so I have doubts about how accurate it is. To be fair the same criticism also applies to zone; it was just D1 and they may not necessarily have been killed for their reads at all, I can’t tell yet.

@AngryFrog

slot I’m townreading (soweli, leafia or pidgeonnyc)

@Frostwolf103

Who do you townread among tutuu voters (Soweli, Leafia, Pigeon, myself and Hippo)

@AngryFrog

Soweli, leafia, pidgeon

@AngryFrog

I’m fine w/ pidgeon + leafia town. I’m fine tentatively w/ jason (divergent) being town but I think they have a very tenuous grasp on the game.

@AngryFrog

Yeah I was pleased to have the pidgeon TR because I thought I was being clever but apparently everyone else can find them town too. Wrt stuff like “why can’t scum make any of those posts” I def think scum could and I’m just hoping to beat the odds.

I’ll give you OTOH what I remember about why I towned the 3;

-pidgeon said some silly/goofy lines that pinged me as town and then argued against the logic that sleeping is bad. I have seen scum vote sleep a number of times D1 as a joke but never have I seen scum argue that it should be worth considering as a logical strat. I think you can argue that it’s showing some initiative/leadership to try and get the town to follow a strat and probably townie entitlement too which I find solid >town.

-Leafia has been really agro since the beginning which I find >town but they showed a lack of TMI on both my slot (they initially were very sus of me) and on tutuu’s flip. They seem like a typical higher-wim town slot trying to push slots for info and figure out their reads as they go based on how others respond.

-soweli higher effort slot, seemed normal when interacting with them, lots of detail in their posts. They seem just paranoid enough of me that I can buy it lol.

[Responding to hippo quote]

@AngryFrog

This bothers me a lot more than it probably should

@AngryFrog

Okay I’m getting heebie jeebies about voting hippo here VOTE: frostwolf103

@AngryFrog

I almost voted them a couple times over the last like 20 minutes.

@AngryFrog

@pandora
@Hippopablompoyeetus
@jason.mrrown

-How do the three of you feel about each other?
-How do you feel about pidgeon being given a free pass as town?
-Do you believe it’s possible scum are hiding somewhere in the more active posters?
-Is there any reason we can’t trust Twilight Wolf’s theory about one scum on the tutuu wagon?

From this post d3 we can infer that frog is interesting in finding a potential wolf between me, pandora, and hippo, which means he still townreads leafia and pigeon and is probably ignoring t3rm due to inactivity.

So starting from d1, frog has consistently townread soweli, leafia, and pigeon, while wolfreading frost. The thing that’s really bothering me is how these reads don’t really seem to change. Given all the questions frog is asking, I’d expect more nuanced reads in his posts overall and for him to give more thought to more slots. Ergo, there’s not really any followup to the questions reflected in the reads, which makes me think that him asking all these questions is performative in nature, which i believe comes from a wolf.

[Hippopablompoyeetus]

I was an angel tho

[jason.mrrown]

Click on the hammer at the bottom of each post

[Leafia]

Angels were the wolves that game.

[Hippopablompoyeetus]

Ok fine thats why i didnt see it in dms

But looking at it i remember the game now, its the one where Catbae found me as mafia in my first 3 posts and why whenever i have been mafia since i killed catbae n1. Not diminishing your own role too much but catbae just absolutely demolished me and got basically everyone on side to get me

[Leafia]

I helped a lot too and the way you suddenly flipped your read on me this game reminds me of that game in a way.

[jason.mrrown]

I should also note that frog proposed 4 different possibilities for how the wolves were positioned on/off tutuu’s wagon, but never really explained what he himself thought about it

[jason.mrrown]

Er which possibility he believed in

[Hippopablompoyeetus]

Their reads were identical to mine and for similair reasons

Liked me being null, liked zone townread, like questioning leafia a bit. They just made some natural reads, introduced themself and vibed.

Granted at time i wasnt super confident in read at that time but since then jasons also been towny and having 2 ppl in same slot both be towny is a cheatcode to town read a slot lol

[Hippopablompoyeetus]

I did not flip my read Leafia i made a single post going “lol leafia could be mafia and tutuu exactly right” and then YOU flipped your reads on me

[Leafia]

I had already started wolfreading you before that. Nice try ghough. Now how about you selfvote like you said you would if I found a game where I correctly wolfread you?

[Hippopablompoyeetus]

@Leafia

Hmmm, willing to give Hippo the slimmest of townleans so far.

@Leafia

Yeah. This feels like the Hippo from that Undertale game

@Leafia

Lsstly, I don’t think Hippo would’ve killed Zone here since Zone was planning on sheeping Hippo.

@Leafia

Unlikely due to the Zone kill and why would w!Hippo jump onto the Tutuu wagon unecessarily like that?

YOU townread ME until this happened

@Leafia

@Hippopablompoyeetus

Imagine if tutuu was actually right and its leafia / angry and we just voted them out and ignore it lmao

Yeah. Hippo is falling into his ususl wolfy habit of shadinv me I see. He’s trending downwards now. VOTE: Hippo

[Leafia]

Also, until then, you had been townreading me.

[AngryFrog]

Jason, I wasnt inviting you to elaborate, I was saying that I already suspected you were town and that your paranoia is real. I feel like we already went through this D2. Like you are paranoid because I didn’t explain something about my reads or solving or whatever which is the kind of post I wouldn’t normally do as town anyway unless asked.

[Leafia]

I literally vited ypu in my first post of the day. Nice tfy though.