The beatings will continue until townplay improves: Part 4 - The Crestening (Day Two - 9/11)

[tutuu]

decent enough as well

[Divergent]

@Leafia

Also, Zone doesn’t really play exactlh lik we this as a villager either iirc.

Hello Leafia, can you elaborate more on what your perspective is on how he plays as villager vs wolf? I remember you had mentioned in an earlier post that you’re fairly confident about being able to read Zone. It’s interesting that you and tutuu have very different perspectives on it

[tutuu]

tutuu
Zone

pigeon
pandora

Terminator
Divergent

Hippo
Frostwolf
Frog

Leafia - always town if soweli town. could be wolf if soweli wolf, could still be town

soweli

Winning isn’t enough, let’s sweep, ladies and gents and nonbinary friends~

@Hippopablompoyeetus @Frostwolf103 @AngryFrog

[Leafia]

After a bit of thought, willing to moce Tutuu up to null. Hd’s really setting himself up to look bad if Soweli flips v and it feels like he really believes that Soweli could be a eolf. I’m not sure if he’d do that if he was a wolf.

@Divergent

Hello Leafia, can you elaborate more on what your perspective is on how he plays as villager vs wolf? I remember you had mentioned in an earlier post that you’re fairly confident about being able to read Zone. It’s interesting that you and tutuu have very different perspectives on it

I’m not good at all at dokng so, but I’ll do my best. As it’s mostly gut and feels for me. As town Zone is more solvy in a way, kind of like a detective and he isn’t prone to being extremely trusting without good reason. That’s the part that scares me most about him this game.

[Zone_Q11]

Uh… I don’t fully remember what my past self was going through either, but whatever it was I am feeling better now. It is not necessarily “going back”, but rather “recovered” (…by means of forgetting). I don’t know if how I play now is “how I prefer to play”, because I just… play. I just talk.

[Zone_Q11]

(Now why did I not do this in Pt. 3…) …oh. You were Mafia back then. Yeah, that makes sense.

I don’t promote myself as Town and let others read me as they please. If people keep stating they scumread me, then I just ignore them without defending myself. (And then, at EOD, people just… voted me.)

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I am going to put you on my townreads. Part of me wishes to wait, but I can’t wait forever. I need reads, and I can’t help but grant favorable opinions to those who are more active.

[tutuu]

Get in the car bitches we’re sweeping this

[Zone_Q11]

@Leafia

This doesn’t feel villagery to me.

Why would that be? Is it because the idea of sheeping someone else could be done by Mafia to push the blame onto the one of whoever they are sheeping? If so, then my counterargument would be: “But Hippo did it in the last game, and that went well for him.”

@Leafia

Very dangerous to do as people can and do surprise you from time to time and I believe that Tutuu should know better so him locking Zone in as town is a scary thought to me. Also, Zone doesn’t really play exactlh lik we this as a villager either iirc.

I will not deny that my wolf play can apparently surprise people. (In particular because I remember how Kyubey was surprised at my gameplay at Project Moon Upick.) ((I don’t know what I did well that game, but uh… “if it works, it works”.)) On that front, I won’t stop you.

However, I am curious what you think my “normal townplay” is. (Especially since I don’t remember my past selves.)

You keep saying “Zone doesn’t play like this and that”, but I don’t recall any specific details. From what I see now, you seem to be spouting nonsense about some fictional Zone.

[Leafia]

@Zone_Q11

Why would that be? Is it because the idea of sheeping someone else could be done by Mafia to push the blame onto the one of whoever they are sheeping? If so, then my counterargument would be: “But Hippo did it in the last game, and that went well for him.”

No. Because a villager would naturally be very hesitant to sheep the reads of someone they aren’t positive id town because sheeping the reads of a wolf is very dangrrous and villagers know this.

@Zone_Q11

However, I am curious what you think my “normal townplay” is. (Especially since I don’t remember my past selves.)

You keep saying “Zone doesn’t play like this and that”, but I don’t recall any specific details. From what I see now, you seem to be spouting nonsense about some fictional Zone.

I’m not even that sure myself. Most of it is gut and how you feel to me and the fact that I don’t recall you ever playing like how you’re playing right now and that unnerves me.

[Zone_Q11]

@Leafia

especially with hhow Zone’s trust of Hippo seems like TMI on Hippo. Hippo hasn’t even posted yet after all. In fact, I think Hippo might be the only one that hasn’t posted yet.

I fail to see what my faith in another player has to do with anything. For instance, if someone who plays stupidly good were to be in this game (imagine someone with a… very impressive read history; 90% win rate over 200 games), if such person were to be in the game, then why would I not sheep them, even if they have yet to post? They have a good track record, so naturally I would want to sheep them.

[Leafia]

Because you don’t know if they’re town or not. What if they’re a wolf? You’d think any villager would be hesitant to sheep the reads of someone they aren’t sure is town.

[Leafia]

I do think this is lowkey unpairing for you/Hippo though. Not surs you’d be so openly trusting of a partner like this after all.

[Zone_Q11]

@Leafia

As town Zone is more solvy in a way, kind of like a detective and he isn’t prone to being extremely trusting without good reason.

Paranoia exists, yes. However, if I were to distrust everyone, then how will I ever have a townread? If I were to maximize my paranoia, then everyone can be paired together, and even if they appear to be fighting at each other in-thread, paranoia could always chuck it up as “scum theater”.

That is just poor gameplay. I have to start trusting something, and -prior to tutuu’s monologues- that something was Hippo’s records. (I.e., what I remember about Hippo.)

@Leafia

Because a villager would naturally be very hesitant to sheep the reads of someone they aren’t positive id town because sheeping the reads of a wolf is very dangrrous and villagers know this.

The part that I underlined is not me. You are applying your common sense onto all players. Please do not do this. Do not generalize me. Do not force your ideal Town onto me.

If Hippo randed wolf, then let that be my problem. Let it be my downfall. Let me learn from my own mistakes. Do not push your fears onto me.

[Leafia]

@Zone_Q11

Paranoia exists, yes. However, if I were to distrust everyone, then how will I ever have a townread? If I were to maximize my paranoia, then everyone can be paired together, and even if they appear to be fighting at each other in-thread, paranoia could always chuck it up as “scum theater”.

That is just poor gameplay. I have to start trusting something , and -prior to tutuu’s monologues- that something was Hippo’s records. (I.e., what I remember about Hippo.)

Blindly tristing someone is dangerous though. If it’s domeone you townread. I would be able to understand it a bit more. Heck, a lot more, but not someond who hasn’t even posted. It just feels lkke TMI that way.

@Zone_Q11

The part that I underlined is not me. You are applying your common sense onto all players. Please do not do this. Do not generalize me. Do not force your ideal Town onto me.

If Hippo randed wolf, then let that be my problem. Let it be my downfall. Let me learn from my own mistakes. Do not push your fears onto me.

Very well, but it’s not going to change how I view your play. Pretty sure that if you actually are a villager, I’ll be able to find you eventually. I am pretty good at telling when you’re a villager after all.

[Leafia]

Sorry if I upset you there too. That wasn’t my intention.

[Zone_Q11]

@Leafia

I don’t recall you ever playing like how you’re playing right now and that unnerves me.

/shrug
I have terrible memory, and I don’t recall much about your gameplay either. (At least, not enough to instantly recognize your alignment.) Yet I am still doing fine.

I don’t think we will see eye-to-eye on this front, so I will drop the matter.

@Leafia

Because you don’t know if they’re town or not. What if they’re a wolf? You’d think any villager would be hesitant to sheep the reads of someone they aren’t sure is town.

That is just you. I am not you. I am not “any villager”. I am Zone, “the crazy villager”. You keep saying “what if they are a wolf”, but I know that already.

Heck, not only do I have to take the risk of w!Hippo, I also have to take the risk of v!Hippo being wrong. But I will still take it. Because I just have that much blind faith in Hippo’s past gameplay.

[Leafia]

This exchange with Zone has been pretty illuminating I think. UNVOTE

Zone’s reaction towards my views here is something I’m finding somewhat villagery. Enough to remove my vote on him at least.

[Zone_Q11]

@Leafia

Blindly tristing someone is dangerous though. If it’s domeone you townread. I would be able to understand it a bit more. Heck, a lot more, but not someond who hasn’t even posted. It just feels lkke TMI that way.

I can’t have a read on Hippo yet since he has yet to post, but -to me- that doesn’t mean I can’t trust him. There is no rule that states I can’t put my faith into someone who has not spoken yet.

I am not asking for your understanding, but this is how I see the world.

If you think my belief is TMI, then I won’t stop you. But just like how you won’t change your view on me, I won’t change my view on Hippo.

[Leafia]

Yeah. Silling to change my read on Zone to a slim townlean here. This feels villagery for Zone.

[Zone_Q11]

Aye… I think… voting you (Leafia) won’t do me any good anymore either for now.

Instead… I want to see more posts from T3.
VOTE: T3RMINATOR