There's No Freaking Way I'll Be Your Mason! Unless... -- Day 3 (10/14)

[Hippopablompoyeetus]

[meow]

@snow

And by “probably” I meant I’m not sure if dia would’ve addressed it had I not voted them

ohhh I think this is the root of my confusion, thank you

[meow]

snow I think you’re townread by the game except me, hippo, and dia

what are your thoughts on us/the push on you? do you think one (or more?) of us is a wolf? do you think a wolf would choose to jump on the push on you? would maybe understand if you’re sus of me right now as well

I know you’ve said you’re townreading dia, so that would leave me and hippo I think

do you think I’m making a bad faith argument/making a bad assumption somewhere? (or maybe this is hard bc I haven’t really written out a consolidated case or anything)

do you think you should be being townread right now/why do you think you should be?

thoughts on the current wagons? do you think we’re town-clearing anyone too easily?

this post might sound a little aggressive; that’s not my intention, but I’m not sure how to articulate my questions and get my point across in a nicer manner & so I gave up and decided to be direct

I don’t have any “right” answers I’m expecting, I’m just trying to understand where you are right now

[iamagummybear]

guys imma be townreader cause im based and unbiased

[iamagummybear]

okay i meant to say townleader but i suppose that’s applicable too

[Aleph (Ishmael)]

All of Jason's Soft Defenses of Willow

@jason.mrrown

not really a soft defense, but yeah i’m not really sure what continuing to wagon willow will do to advance the game. I know you’re a fan of factoring in information when deciding who to wagon, and if willow isn’t going to commit to giving d1 reads, then idk what info we gain from that

@jason.mrrown

Can you explain how this translates to willow being a wolf

@jason.mrrown

I don’t think she’s towny, i think the wagon is stale

@jason.mrrown

I think it’s p likely one of [alexis/youbie, ish, dia] is a wolf

If alexis is a wolf making an early powerwolf play to establish thread control, i think wolves would be more self-conscious of joining the wagon since it was started by a wolf

If alexis is town, I think it’s easy for wolves to just follow his push and jump on bc of how strong it was. If shending is a wolf they get cred, if shending is town most of the blame falls on alexis and not them.

@jason.mrrown

I’ll reread willow i thought her putting effort into isoing d1 and coming up with thoughts was a good look but idt i’ve really thought about what she said

@jason.mrrown

i read through both snow’s points and willow’s points, and i can see the perspective for both i think?

snow saying they’re fine just going for a lhf slot is just another version of you saying “im fine with these slots dying today”

willow is saying that snow lacks the progression where they evaluate the game and decide who is fine and who is not fine

and tbh i like willow’s perspective here more

…
and i just saw willow claim bodyguard and ash cc so wtf

[Included him reacting to the Ash CC so you can’t claim im taking out of context]

The way he handled Willow day one is extremely suspect, it’s all light defense and redirecting votes away from the now flipped wolf. I do not think a town member makes defenses in the way Jason did of a at the time unflipped wolf.

VOTE: Jason

Will dig into more Jason stuff later but this is just a preview

something something surgical summer pusha t reference something something

[Aleph (Ishmael)]

@jason.mrrown

i’m… mildly surprised i’m not getting pushed harder? i thought someone would have come up with a case on how willow and I are paired

lol this reads like a poltician leaking their scandal to friendly media sources so they get ahead of it

you ain’t slick big boy

(this stuck out like a sorethumb im still combing)

[jason.mrrown]

I think i’m missing something

[jason.mrrown]

I keep thinking about “what were wolves doing to influence the willow wagon at eod and position themselves” and i can’t come up with a good answer

Bc i look at my towncase on myself, and i look at ish’s eod, i see she’s doing the same thing as me, which is… nothing. And i wonder what that means

[diafiasco]

do you still think shen is wolf

[diafiasco]

i mean the time in which you could actually intervene without it being suicide was very very short

before willow claims: it’s like 4-3 willow/snow with like an hour until EoD, looks set to be a back and forth tight wagon

after willow claims: willow wagon almost entirely dissolves except for me (genouis), no one has time to reorient their vote

after ash claims: everyone stacks back on to willow

[Aleph (Ishmael)]

@jason.mrrown

@Aleph who do you have as town atm

@Aleph

dia/ash/shen

maybe barwe maybe meow

[insert snarky quote about you reading here]

[jason.mrrown]

I mostly meant like the time frame when it was 3-2 snow-willow to 3-4 snow-willow

[diafiasco]

it appears you woke up from your nap at 3-3

[diafiasco]

after which you unvoted me and were going to reread willow but were going in favorably

then shen voted willow with 30 minutes to eod

[diafiasco]

meanwhile ishmael was with her wife until after shen had already voted and willow was main wagon

[diafiasco]

@Aleph

do you think i post at eod if i get pinged in wolf chat to help bus willow when i could’ve went “mb was focused on wife” and have everything explained on being mia

i dont think there was a ping saying Vote Me because i dont think that was an intentional bus lmao

unless you think ash was colluding

[jason.mrrown]

What’s your reasoning behind t!shending? What do you think about w!shending bussing d1?

[jason.mrrown]

@jason.mrrown

i look at ish’s eod, i see she’s doing the same thing as me, which is… nothing.

actually i change my mind idt i should be giving ish credit here, i believe as wolf she likes to play more utr instead of taking a leading role

[meow]

the issue with all of the quoted soft defenses of willow jason made for me is that I had the same feelings during d1, so I can see it coming from a town pov

probably the worst post is jason saying he liked willow more than snow which I think is not good at all, but then he says he said that before seeing willow’s claim and the cc, and then I end up townreading the post for admitting that he was going to townread willow before claim

generally I was not confident on the willow vote at all, she was simply my most preferred vote of everyone because she felt the least likely to become readable in the future. I was a little suspicious off the overall disinterest, but I wasn’t and still am not sure if the meta read was even accurate or just pure luck that she randed wolf twice in a row when playing like this. I wasn’t/am not comfortable making very aggressive pushes, and I didn’t want to push willow into doing more than she wanted to

I was simultaneously worried about being accused of being too aggressive/going for lhf if willow ended up flipping town (ESPECIALLY if she was a pr who never claimed) but then I was also afraid of just letting willow get away with it if she was wolf? I felt like I could sense the same uncertainty from jason, who reached a similar conclusion and decide to change his vote to a more provocative target bc of the wagon being stale or whatever. overall I do read that sort of “try to make something happen” thing as towny from jason, but he does know that I townread him off that, so I guess he could have done that deliberately

genuinely it felt like no one really cared about the willow wagon (maybe I’m lying and need to reread d1, but like it felt like the entire game just collectively shrugged and went “well, willow will be willow” & no one wanted to really push her when her initial wagon happened)

anyway I don’t know what the point of this post really was, but maybe the rest of the wolfcase will introduce more paranoia into me

well it’s like so many of jason’s posts about willow are feelings I could relate to I guess