Snow (3): Hippopablompoyeetus, meow, Barwe
#601
Willow’s analysis post below comes shortly and 4th vote on Snow’s wagon basically, however how does this connect Willow being paired with Snow exavtly, Meow?
#811 VC
snow (3): Hippopablompoyeetus, Barwe, ElizaThePsycho
willow (2): diafiasco, YoubutWorse
diafiasco (2): jason.mrrown, snow
Shending (1): Aleph
Frostwolf103 (1): Chomps
Not Voting (5): iamagummybear, Frostwolf103, Ash, Shending, meow
unpaired, not paired
I think the prevailing theory is that willow claimed bodyguard to shift the wagon off her and into snow, since the wagons were close & she probably wasn’t expecting a counterclaim from ash. she iso-d and pushed snow, so people think we would have moved off her and into snow if there had been no cc
I’m not sure what the point you’re trying to make here is
maybe I should talk to you about the wagons today, but you’ve already said you townread ishmael and sus jason for pushing her? is there anything else you sus jason for or is it more of a [counterwagon that isn’t ishmael]?
do you have a read on hippo?
In comparison, the vote is a good look for Snow and uninformed about Willow’s claim…the first quote is before Willow have claimed openly and got CC’d by Ash.
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I do realize something about Hippo yes, also regarding a good look about him but I can’t exactly point it out until the mafia fell for it. It’s more of mech thing.
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frost know my hood with ybw where they told me i was new townleader is REAL and fact you are trying to undermine it is suspcious 
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It’s fine, he’s asking how I think of you socially.
in all fairness i actually dont understand the susp on me
i dont remember pushing snow particularly hard eod and i am getting impression i am being painted as leader of Willow’s CW which is not true.
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like EOD i specifically shutdown every wagon other than willow and snow and then spent the rest of the time shitposting about being a bodyguard. i voted snow like 20 hours earlier and wasn’t bothered either way, i made 0 effort to push away from willow or push onto them to then gain credit.
until the bg claim cc i had snow and willow as equally likely to flip and simply didnt care - when that happened I unvoted snow to not allow a last second tie but i didnt want to vote willow as it would allow a willow self-hammer
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jason/ishmael feud feels like it is more likely to contain a wolf. snows still on radar but the main thing i like is the EoD pr claim and asking ash for protect as its quite a ballsy mafia play when a third of your team is about to be executed, and I dont know if snow goes from that given they are still pretty new.
only thing that’ll make me second guess that read is if snow claims a loud public ability which isnt that helpful, like the doublevoter or a neighoburiser or something. if snow is a mafia loud abilit their play would make more sense.
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it is relevant in the context of “did willow actually want to survive?”. because claiming bg over a much stronger safer claim gives impression no - which strengthens idea that either they were already being heavily bussed OR that the the counterwagon snow is also mafia.
i agree there’s not a ton to learn from it but i think its not worthless to discuss.
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this is understandable bc I don’t think I ever really expressed my reasons why, and I don’t think they’re very good reasons anyway
I think I primed myself into wolfreading you from the openers exercise + unfortunately I can get rather defensive of jason
I don’t think I can townread you off your tone generally bc I always like it, and I remember being convinced you were town in the beatings game where you were wolf off tone (hence my need to reread that game at some point)
I felt like some of your townreads d1 felt potentially tmi-y, as this is a general growing paranoia for me recently. I was pinged by I think two incidents where you said ybw and dia were really towny but one thing bothered you about them which I was a little afraid was pivot-y. again, I don’t feel strongly that these are good or accurate reads, but they were kinda insidious
I don’t recall anything relating willow or her wagon specifically that I associate with you although I did feel a little omgus when you said you wanted to go for me for appearing to have set up her claim (I do very easily see that worldview though). also I had a tinfoil of a snow/you/willow team but I’ll need to find the reasoning & I remember it didn’t hold up. might be projecting frieren too hard
sorry I do have to go now, I’ll respond to everything else later
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I also scumread Meow but no one else does so we can both just claim credit postgame
Can you explain your read on them so I can steal it please
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I don’t remember or understand this at all – who is saying this?
oh I do remember someone saying you weren’t even on the willow wagon if it’s that
jason had that as a reason im in their poe alongside only frost and ish which i think is weaksauce
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for what it’s worth, I am not seeking to undermine you (or anyone else) here, but I don’t know how to ask people about their reads on players I’m not sure how to read besides how I’ve been doing. I realize I might be tunneled on you + am trying to understand why people townread you. also if everyone has you as generally towny, as I’m starting to feel is the case, I’m probably just wrong
I’m kinda just clearing too many people from my poe (I feel like I started townleaning everyone in there), and I’m wondering if I cleared chomps/barwe/shending too easily now
I won’t have time to think through this before eod though, but hopefully tonight although the week is getting busier for me
I am going to be gone for most of d3 (should make the start, may not make the end?)
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had it not been cc’d everyone was content to let her live so