I keep thinking about “what were wolves doing to influence the willow wagon at eod and position themselves” and i can’t come up with a good answer
Bc i look at my towncase on myself, and i look at ish’s eod, i see she’s doing the same thing as me, which is… nothing. And i wonder what that means
do you still think shen is wolf
i mean the time in which you could actually intervene without it being suicide was very very short
before willow claims: it’s like 4-3 willow/snow with like an hour until EoD, looks set to be a back and forth tight wagon
after willow claims: willow wagon almost entirely dissolves except for me (genouis), no one has time to reorient their vote
after ash claims: everyone stacks back on to willow
[insert snarky quote about you reading here]
I mostly meant like the time frame when it was 3-2 snow-willow to 3-4 snow-willow
it appears you woke up from your nap at 3-3
after which you unvoted me and were going to reread willow but were going in favorably
then shen voted willow with 30 minutes to eod
meanwhile ishmael was with her wife until after shen had already voted and willow was main wagon
i dont think there was a ping saying Vote Me because i dont think that was an intentional bus lmao
unless you think ash was colluding
What’s your reasoning behind t!shending? What do you think about w!shending bussing d1?
actually i change my mind idt i should be giving ish credit here, i believe as wolf she likes to play more utr instead of taking a leading role
the issue with all of the quoted soft defenses of willow jason made for me is that I had the same feelings during d1, so I can see it coming from a town pov
probably the worst post is jason saying he liked willow more than snow which I think is not good at all, but then he says he said that before seeing willow’s claim and the cc, and then I end up townreading the post for admitting that he was going to townread willow before claim
generally I was not confident on the willow vote at all, she was simply my most preferred vote of everyone because she felt the least likely to become readable in the future. I was a little suspicious off the overall disinterest, but I wasn’t and still am not sure if the meta read was even accurate or just pure luck that she randed wolf twice in a row when playing like this. I wasn’t/am not comfortable making very aggressive pushes, and I didn’t want to push willow into doing more than she wanted to
I was simultaneously worried about being accused of being too aggressive/going for lhf if willow ended up flipping town (ESPECIALLY if she was a pr who never claimed) but then I was also afraid of just letting willow get away with it if she was wolf? I felt like I could sense the same uncertainty from jason, who reached a similar conclusion and decide to change his vote to a more provocative target bc of the wagon being stale or whatever. overall I do read that sort of “try to make something happen” thing as towny from jason, but he does know that I townread him off that, so I guess he could have done that deliberately
genuinely it felt like no one really cared about the willow wagon (maybe I’m lying and need to reread d1, but like it felt like the entire game just collectively shrugged and went “well, willow will be willow” & no one wanted to really push her when her initial wagon happened)
anyway I don’t know what the point of this post really was, but maybe the rest of the wolfcase will introduce more paranoia into me
well it’s like so many of jason’s posts about willow are feelings I could relate to I guess
jason have you done anything in this game targeted to make me townread you…
Shending (2): Aleph, YoubutWorse
snow (2): Hippopablompoyeetus, Barwe
willow (1): diafiasco
diafiasco (1): jason.mrrown
at this point willow makes her appearance and cases snow and votes them
i think this is another point in favor of t!snow, i think willow realized she might have been in danger here so she wrote the case so she could justify a snow vote in order to try to save herself
not to townread you, i did try to read your reaction d1 when i offered to mason but you didn’t commit to it so i dropped it
Didn’t see this because no ping… I’ll respond to most of the things here tomorrow, because I’m really tired now.
However, I will respond to this. I think your tunnel is fair, and I didn’t feel like you were opportunistic with it. That by itself doesn’t make me read you town, but if would’ve I thought your questioning was scummy, I would’ve pushed it after addressing it
Also, please excuse my grammar. It deteriorates when I’m tired/upset/under influence, so if it becomes unreadable or you’re unsure about what I was trying to say, please ask for a clarification ^^
compiled a bunch of ishmael posts for myself + minor commentary
the confidence/casualness of these feel like tonally good. I still don’t understand why the soul read thing happened, but I’m kinda assuming it’s some level of joke at this point
someone scumread ishmael’s willow is willowposting read, it doesn’t ping me (the sentiment is relatable), but I can see the angle I suppose
really aggressive on shending, I think I was slightly townreading this on d1. it’s so aggressive. but I don’t know her range
this post had pinged me when I first saw it because I felt like ishmael was doing the same thing of mostly towning players with just a push on shending, but I guess she was technically pushing shending & alexis, and later she does have a slight sus on jason
I thought this post was fine, not like a deliberate self-meta subversion type defense
this post is what earlier made me realize there was some consistency with the reasoning of why ishmael was pushing shending but stopped when ybw flipped town. I don’t really townread it though
could be read as soft defense if you wanted
this self-meta feels worse than the first time to me. if ash didn’t claim bodyguard already, I would assume they were masons at this point
jason sus did not appear out of absolutely nowhere
(eod1 I think ^)
(sod2^)
slightly unsure what to make of this – willow was outed right, and ishmael is still assuming shending is wolf. but the shending wolf push was strongly rooted in a belief in shending/alexis partners, apparently strong enough that she stopped sussing shending after ybw flipped town. did she still think shending/ybw were partners at eod1?
I believe shending asked ishmael some good questions about this at some point, looking forward to seeing the answers
I do not have a conclusion to take away from this, insert fencesitting
why is the shending push the towniest and wolfiest thing she’s done for me
no worries! get some rest
I will ping you next time, my bad on that
I will probably compile a bunch of posts of yours that pinged me, but I have also been liking your responses today, so shrug
I’ve been staring at Multi-ISOs of Willow + Ishmael and Willow + Jason trying to figure out what mafia strategy was.