There's No Freaking Way I'll Be Your Mason! Unless... -- Night 3 (9/14)

[Barwe]

[Ash]

I don’t think so?
In my head, I’m excluding you, Hippo, Gummy, and snow because I think you all are town; we’ve discussed and rejected meow; don’t think Jason is evil.
That leaves Chomps and Barwe and Shending, and of those, Shending is probably my top option.

[Frostwolf103]

I think your friend is getting cooked ye

[jason.mrrown]

Legacy

Locktown
Ash, Snow

Strong townread (see iso)
Chomps, Meow

Townread
Frost, Hippo

Townlean
Gummy

Scumlean
Barwe

Scum
Shending

[meow]

preface: I don’t have any serious conclusions from these, it’s mostly a selection for you guys to read on your own and think about

google docs messed up some of the quotes formatting I think

I do think there are some parallels with brawe’s and shending’s pushes/poe (ishmael, hippo, chomps, frost?) – major disagreement might just be on jason’s towniness levels or whatever, bu I don’t have the time to grab shending quotes too

I don’t like brawe’s progression on jason too much. I think a lot of brawe’s reads I don’t actually follow from the quotes he cites? there is a bit of intentionality with his interactions with shending I feel. and his reads feel very static compared to the rest of the game in terms of his pushes being kinda set up early and stuff.

I can’t be very confident he’s a wolf still though bc tone is good, and progression is like shrug I can still buy it? yeah whatever. I’m just tunneling on jason’s solve and seeing if it can make sense, and ultimately I think it could

brawe on jason

@Barwe

jason v. Liked how he went and looked for your posts in a previous game for comparison, all bc of a gut feeling. More effort than one would think of putting in as wolf. Could be very tactical and a conscious decision ig but anything could.

@Barwe

Only problem with current godklubb is that poe is looking weak. Mostly low posters left… Feels too easy?? If I must suspect the more active godklubb members it has to be meow and Jason, whom I’ve read strongly as townies so far.

Looking at my meow notes in the Great Wall, they’re not as strong as I remember. Also think the w Snow read is weird but that’s pretty much all about her. I guess it worries me somewhat that others who know her better claim she’s scummy. Don’t care for now.

Feelings for Jason worsened during eod for some reason. Maybe the “towny” comment in #1163 is the sole reason for this. Terrible, that one. Still think all arguments for my original town read are holding up. Reading up on today, some comment I don’t remember made me think: Jason/Ish v/w? In an unspecified order? Yes very exciting thought I know.

this is consistent with his later posts. there’s a good setup of townreading jason and scumreading ishmael being set up. I can’t tell if it’s good or bad faith. signs of a general trend about my slot and jason’s slots being hard to read (towny but other people are suspicious/poe)

@Barwe

jason can also stay in godklubb.

@jason.mrrown

Lmao hippo pivoting to sussing me after dia floated jason/hippo potentially being paired in 1545 i think is towny

Hippo is in a better position than me i think so if he was a wolf idt he’d care about being paired with me bc he knows i flip v
Since he doesn’t know my alignment, he’s afraid that he might be next if i flip w

kinda liked this. kinda liked hippos response also

@Hippopablompoyeetus

No it is a legit read

Dia voted you and I asked why and they refused to elaborate so I just ISO’d you myself which I hadn’t previously done and realised I didn’t like the way you treated Willow’s slot.
Although I recognise the timing is funny

the situation between them is interesting but i wanna clean out the lhf before going after any of them. Feels pointless atm.

i mean ig i do somewhat dislike the mech spec from Hippo like why willow claimed this not that and so on… I think it’s pretty uninteresting. a me problem perhaps.

none of this pings me that hard although I feel like the townread reasoning has not been very strong generally. also doubt in hippo starts around here perhaps

@Barwe

I would need a thorough breakdown of Shendings big jason-towncase from u if i am to change my mind on him. U did read that one specifically, not just Shendings overall reads?

seems like barwe is sold on town jason at this point. it’s never actually broken down

@Barwe

I have some analyzing to do when i get home and maybe then my opinion will be different thwn

But reads so far: u, i, snow, meow, shending, jason are still town. Its a pretty strong godklubb.

Then i have “thoughts” om the others…

it’s interesting I feel like my towncore got absolutely mixed up over d2 (I don’t remember which day this is from) but yeah, one could say barwe and shending have had very static reads all game

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brawe on shending

@Barwe

Some serious damage control. Cannot stress this enough: everything from Shending so far is nai if not actually towny!!! i KNOW he posts like a redditor but my god i just spent a literal week being paranoid and scumreading him bc of just the same things u all r reacting to rn. Turns out he rly just writes like that. Might seem performative but he’s just engaged and i was just lucky last time to have others from our community who knew his writing style better. May would confirm if she could. Also he’s way too experienced for the expectation-managent stuff, if that makes sense. Like if it were not genuine and nai for him he wouldn’t as a cheating lesbian write about his coming absence in the first place.

Hanging him would be a serious waste as he will be a great asset if town.

first post is defensive. this did sell me actually on not wanting to vote shending (and it still kinda does)

@Barwe

ok yea see i would totally think these posts were weird had this been my first game with shending. But if he’s town he def will start putting pressure somewhere eventually, and change his mind on previous v reads. let him cook

feels pockety

@Barwe

Nows the time when i should reveal im actually still super paranoid about shending bc he rly is that good n could theoretically be faking a lot of the towny stuff here. It has to be said.

mm I like

@Barwe

Shending – Like that he seems to have reacted to the same thing as me regarding Dias attack towards him. Town indicative! Reacts to the same thing as me about Ash lockV and that hes felt null sf. Agree that jason wouldve just accepted town read from ash as w. Also like that he reacts to Ash’s ”coming across stronger than intented” comment the same way as I, in 207.

the entire towncase is mindmeld essentially. kinda weak

@Barwe

What I forgot to say about Shending yday was that while the paranoia never completely fades, I was waiting for him to suspect me after my first posts and thankfully he did. If not, I would have 2 assume pocketing. But fn I feel safe, and the town would need a rly bad chain of hangings – sorry, tips to the teachers’ office – for me 2 suspect him being mafia.

valid I feel like this for jason. if I am tunneling on the solve, then the entire wolfy-posting is bait so they can both make it their argument

@Barwe

Heh not rly but i did have this feeling that my own posts shouldn’t have been enough to get a goodread from u. Were u to just immediately interpret me as town, that would’ve been unnerving.

mm

@Barwe

He absolutely does not but is at a convention this weekend and im very jealous. (Like how he asked mafia for nk bc of this btw, like a joke obvs but his wish will never be fulfilled if mafia so the mere thought feels towny.)

mm

@Barwe

But i also think he can be found based on how he tries to solve. Building up towards a w read by asking questions is good, which i think hes been doing this game. Maybe there would be more disconnection between questions and reads otherwise. He also feels more comfortable than i think he would as w in this new setting.

Now i realise u asked how he “likes” playing as w and ig the short answer is probably he prefers being town… But he certainly has a strong voice either way and will bus when needed.

@Barwe

Now I’m wondering what’s the best course of action…… Hanging Hippo as he’s the most likely wolf in group 2, and risk having a bunch of unreadables in endgame? Or just start picking off group 3 members one by one, in case the group 2 wolf is part of my godklubb?? Thought I’d have a conclusion but ehmmm……

(@Shending my solving is way too reliant on the organization rule isn’t it?)

@Barwe

half asleep fr but actually @Shending hippo right right cus if he wolf it wouldnt make sense to not just join Chomps wagon i think so maybe this is boq situation all over again u both town n solve is meow n Chomps right gn

this feels pockety

@Barwe

Ish changed her mind at least on Shending for good reasons. The argument fell when it proved that shending/alexis were not w/w. Last thing she said was in line with my group theory:

@Aleph

hippo/one of the nulls probably

defensive again

@Barwe

way way way waaaaay to obvious. U did read our game right? Again, he’s much better than that.

okay this is plausible wolf defending partner and less on pocket

@Barwe

ALSO, because of earlier events of today:

• The beef between Shending and Hippo proves to me beyond all doubt that Shending is not wolf, due to it being like a repeat of a discussion he found himself in during our previous game (and others before that). He’s bold and argues with conviction, while wolf-Shending would be more careful and diplomatic in this situation. It is obvious that he does not feel understood, and finds Hippos counterarguments lacking. No pocketing this time Snow, that usually comes with a different feeling. Lock town.

shrug hard to invalidate meta arguments

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brawe on other players

@Barwe

Ishmael – acting question is tedious, stale, a joke that becomes bad and forced bc of need to explain before one reveals where it’s going – ”u act? – as acting? – CUS U WOLF BOOM”. Everything about Ash seems based on some gimmick whose origins I just don’t understand or can take seriously. Everything about Shending is… harsh and antagonistic but reasonable from her perspective? All in all not very nutritious. Keep not getting what she refers to sometimes. Comes with a lot of reads in 297 – agree with several and think others are at least reasonable, but like a bit easy. Would also have reacted to the examples in 302 from her perspective - reasonable. 430 – funny enough to be v?

again ishmael progression is telegraphed

@Barwe

Willow – Kinda like 361. Hard to say why. It is very direct.

take it as you will

@Barwe

Quite amazing that some of u who made me the most unsure turned around completely and are now the safest townies in godklubb just bc of that eod plottwist: Ash, Dia, Snow. Ash is obvs, Dia should be obvs as well (starter of pre claim Willow wagon), and I do not see Snow as w/w with Willow at all. Feels like a stretch to assume.

Speaking of Ish, she is the one person most firmly in ondklubb. Have not liked the way she points with her whole hand to her own preestablished explanations for why she said or did one thing or another. Seen it a lot in both eod and today.

ishmael push. I don’t actually recall if brawe made a real argument besides vibes

@Barwe

So I’m still not sure why or why not Frost wanted to change track but he does sound like he believes in his own convictions and think they’re very reasonable… like 1531, I like that.

starts at slightly above null frost

@Barwe

After catching up I gotta say, my worries about meow are gone and her position in the godklubb is strong still.

@meow

I was thinking rber of some sort could be possible as well

Hippos talk about potential mafia prs didn’t impress me, but meows reply in 1500 I liked. Ig I feel like what meow said was spontaneous enough to feel genuine, like something she actually thought about but wouldn’t necessarily bring up if not relevant to the discussion. im saying a post like Hippo’s (1491) could’ve been written by mafia but meow’s most likely was not.

@meow

yeah I’ll miss you sad

would she say this as w?

@meow

snow I think you’re townread by the game except me, hippo, and dia

what are your thoughts on us/the push on you? do you think one (or more?) of us is a wolf? do you think a wolf would choose to jump on the push on you? would maybe understand if you’re sus of me right now as well
I know you’ve said you’re townreading dia, so that would leave me and hippo I think
do you think I’m making a bad faith argument/making a bad assumption somewhere? (or maybe this is hard bc I haven’t really written out a consolidated case or anything)
do you think you should be being townread right now/why do you think you should be?
thoughts on the current wagons? do you think we’re town-clearing anyone too easily?
this post might sound a little aggressive; that’s not my intention, but I’m not sure how to articulate my questions and get my point across in a nicer manner & so I gave up and decided to be direct
I don’t have any “right” answers I’m expecting, I’m just trying to understand where you are right now

meow thinking shes aggressive while being super nonaggressive.

Still town. All good.

at the time I was really confused how barwe derived town from these posts. or like town to the level of confidence he is feeling. I still am. (docs messed up formatting I think)

@Barwe

think i’ll stay on this lonely wagon of mine, fn. i do support the ish wagon, but in the end, I think Chomps is a better “key” – which means I think he’s the one who fits in most mafia constellations. Have little to do with him (tho almost nothing from him has impressed me) but more with the suspicious lack of pressure on him despite underwhelming gameplay so far.

Will miss out on eod again, but suppose I have to check in to see where things r heading when I wake up. Maybe jump on the ish wagon if jason actually looks to be in danger still.

But for now I’ll say it in blue:

Chomps is a lesbian!

chomps push was started by brawe I think

@Barwe

Basically “thoughts” are about worlds and constellations. Like Hippo was in the godklubb before, and i have liked Frosts tone. But then poe goes down to players who didnt rly follow d1 very much, and there has to have been at least 1 mafia paying some attention based on the nks.

Chomps was a good key but his recent post is interesting so will look into that. Good that he seems unaligned with frost.

@Barwe

In this group, Hippo is the odd one out. After keeping my eyes on these players throughout D2, my t-reads on the first 3 have gained strength while Hippo has fallen off. (Reasons for all this have been previously mentioned. Can do some towncasing if asked.) More importantly, it is unlikely for any of the first 3 to be mafia together with Hippo.

a little consensus but shrug could come from town. hippo dropped fast and hard d2 for many, but shending and brawe were among those

@Barwe

e’s been present, tho largely unreadable. I personally feel I’m vibing with him, and I’ve liked that I feel a sense of conviction in his posts, but it’s not enough to put him in godklubb. Right now he’s on a solo wagon against Gummy, and Chomps is on a solo wagon against him – thus I believe he cannot be aligned with any of them.

^regarding frost I think

@Barwe

Chomps have pinged me in bad ways from the beginning, I’ve mentioned why before. Was gonna make a Chomps wolfcase today but……… his latest push on Frost contains some stuff I like. Mostly in 2414:

hm

@Barwe

Lets start with meow. Luckily I’ve been keeping an eye on her all game and commented specifically on her social aspects. After d1 I was afraid to have misread her but she continued to prove herself towny to me, which I talked about in #1819.

But Ash’s reveal made me question it all and I thought yea fuck she HAS felt very… apologetic and on the fence about stuff, always bringing up doubts about her own reads like they’re not to be taken too seriously in the first place – which felt wolfy in hindsight. And like I specifically remembered her saying that she “didn’t mind dying cus shes just vanilla town anyway”… which is a classic that always makes me suspicious. Also, the 3n+ cop claim is just so incredibly convenient its unbelievable, actually thought vt would’ve been better.

Ok. Then i came to the realisation about Ash’s theory, that it all depends on the assumption that mafia has 2 kills on 1 night, which to me is no more likely than mafia choosing to shoot him only in n2. And reading meows defence throu those glasses (#2859, #2861) made me realise that actually, what she says checks out?? She even brought up the points I just mentioned about her that made me suspicious (prob cus bias).

don’t know how to read this, paranoid of pocket

@Barwe

We hang the rest one by one. Since they belong to different groups, we’ll focus on one group until the wolf is found (either today or tomorrow) and then continue with the next. Guaranteed survival, trust~ Since group 2 is technically larger if we include the members of my godklubb (whom some of u are still suspicious towards and I can already hear wää wää), we’ll start with group 3, so we get at least one wolf and buy ourselves time in worst case scenario. Preferably Frost; he is a very good potential key, and bc jasons Chomps-towncase was pretty good.

I wonder if the fixation on frost has to do with shending giving the track on frost, but I’m not sure. this was before jason outed the frost info

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brawe pings

@Barwe

k im gonna do smthn bad alright. Bear with me. I have work tonight and will miss eod and i reaaaally gotta go to sleep. But i have this wall right, cus i wrote down pretty much everything that came to mind when reading thru the game and im very sorry but i have no time to pick out whats worth saying or um even translating properly today. No idea why i dit it this way. But im thinking better to post it than not, and let shending use it as my legacy if i dont get the opportunity to post a better summary of my thoughts tomorrow.

For now u can all ingore this…

content was good enough for me to townread brawe for it (he was definitely keeping track of posts), but mildly performative to post in another language, and if paired with shending, sets up very well for some theater. I didn’t read the interaction about the wallpost as feeling artificial though? but I don’t want to weigh this heavily anymore after d1

@Barwe

Evil! Evil lesbian! Not like us boys! I would never cheat on my exams.

kinda reading this as a vt soft?

@Barwe

Didnt like how he said it tho. I imagine Hippo could be w, but Chomps is still the better key imo, the common denominator in several possible mafia constellations.

reasoning that comes from town and mafia agendapushing

@Barwe

Blue truth!

The last 2 wolves are among these 4 players:

Jason

Hippo

Chomps

Frost

(My guess, Jason and Chomps or Hippo and Frost.)

hate this a lot bc it makes the game sound easy when (as he did get pushback for) that poe doesn’t quite feel right

also note that jason has dropped down here despite shending’s towncase I suppose

[meow]

I did brawe bc shorter + shending is geting flipped today anyway

[meow]

@meow

I think my towncore is ash, jason, frost, gummy
not fully cleared, but probably town: snow, hippo
have reasons to be towny, but least compelling to me: shending, barwe, chomps

gummy is weird bc I expected more contributions, but all her posts read town to me. no agenda at all (except on me, but I think that’s fine)

I am relatively comfortable saying jason and gummy should never be voted out, nor should any tinfoils on ash be considered. maybe re-consider [jason, gummy but never ash] in f5 or f3, but no one will listen to me if I’m dead by then unless they’re wolves, so it’s fine for me to say you should never vote them

frost has gotten super towny today and was generally uptrending the last two days, I wouldn’t really vote him ever I feel. I like the solving, has generally felt very bold with pushing gummy, like the caginess around the neighborhood, liked the insistence on ishmael and hippo town. feel like he had a lot of opportunity to be more “consensus” with his pushes that he hasn’t taken advantage of

snow I might be too paranoid about because objectively sounds unpaired with willow, prob re-eval if alive in f3. hippo sounds fine, he’s just in too many poes for me to be as confident. ← players I might think about d4 but not d3 moment

as good as a legacy as you’ll get from me

[June]

Shending (4): Hippopablompoyeetus, jason.mrrown, snow, iamagummybear
Frostwolf103 (2): Barwe, Shending
Barwe (2): Chomps, Frostwolf103
meow (1): Ash

Not Voting (1): meow

[meow]

don’t see the point of voting at this point, I’ll just wait until the last minute

[meow]

hi leafia

[Ash]

Meow and I dueling for the buzzer beating.

[jason.mrrown]

if only you had the doublevote today…

[meow]

vaguely paranoid there’s a scapegoat fake staple going on here but whatever

[meow]

good luck I guess I don’t even know if my choice will matter

[Shending]

VOTE: barwe

[Ash]

Quick legacy?

[Ash]

VOTE: Shending

[meow]

VOTE: shending

[June]

Shending (6): Hippopablompoyeetus, jason.mrrown, snow, iamagummybear, Ash, meow
Barwe (3): Chomps, Frostwolf103, Shending
Frostwolf103 (1): Barwe

Flip will come soon in 5 monutes.