can you link it i can’t find it i’m so cooked 
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wasn’t offering it as an explanation to you as much as a refutation to hippo without directly engaging.
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nya. (not a fullclaim but still)
oh…
thank you
i need to start taking notes again i’m gettign so lost
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(Ftr i’d prefer if you did something like this for chomps/jarek being town as well but this is a much more pressing matter)
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where are your reads at rn
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Ftr this is like. the easiest way to demotivate me. (Besides maybe the “I’m giving mafia”) I need room to work, not just have things being told at me with seemingly no idea of being wrong in sight.
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I kinda agree that you seem to be pushing town?
Hippo feels really towny, both in contrast to his more mech-focused play in Odyssey and in comparison to his more reactive play in Beatings.
Chomps is kinda similar: w!Chomps plays more “I will follow whatever town does” (Kakegurui, from what I recall, was this) while Chomps here reminds me more of Wrogn 2, where he was genuinely trying to solve things in ways that’re just easy to push.
I haven’t really read Jarek’s other games, but #438 and #439 are good posts: they capture ideas I’m thinking about while bearing intrinsic curiosity. In my mind, if w!Jarek wanted to push you, he’d do so with more aggression.
I don’t think that necessarily makes you mafia - my recollection from Wrogn 2 indicates that you’re much more passive as mafia - but I don’t think that I agree with the wolves in the readlist.
(I say this as someone who’s also somewhat struggling to create a dedicated wolf list; I stand by my Leafia-Hippo-Chomps townreads, and I’m leaning town on Jarek, but I don’t have people I outright think are evil so much as me having people who aren’t, like, confidently town to me.)
Jarek I’m reading as likely town I think. He sounds just like me when I’m explaining myself as a villager.
This is possible but I still think Carbon is likely a villager.
It’s possible that the wolves attacked you to try to frame Carbon or something.
Chomps claimed a heal on Hippo.
let’s see…
- I don’t have meta on Chomps/hippo & without that their posting seems bad.
1.5. ok I lied i have meta on chomps and he looks bad on it? Like i expect chomps to be doing more solving of really any sort here - Again people keep praising jarek and I just don’t think they’re that good of posts? like what do you seee in them? The ideas that they reflect do not seem all that interesting & if you want the headline for w!jarek it’s “worrying that the easy ML slot is becoming not that and in particular one who has a correct read but also knows it’s going to reflect poorly if he pushes her more & she flips town”
I don’t think I’m necessarily that much more passive, though i’ve mostly been playing turbos recently. In particular in this gamestate where I need to lock in, I have been able to lock in in the past.
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With me, it’s mostly gut and how much Jarek is reminding me of my own v!Meta.
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I think I’m parsing them as being towny because he’s conducting evaluation exactly how I would approach your slot. They are thoughts built upon questioning how mafia would push agenda in this state from what I feel is intrinsic curiosity.
To explain it more:
This specifically does not read as coming from a mafia member because it feels genuine; it feels like Jarek has genuinely thought about how w!him and w!Hippo would go about D1. If it were just self-meta “I would not have played EoD1 that way”, I wouldn’t put as much stake in it, but given that he’s evaluating himself as part of a pairing, I think that’s far more likely to come from town than from mafia.
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ok so besides the silly answer of “it’s literallly just jarek/hippo calling out a mildly unpairing point for them”… mafia do to an extent have an obligation to keep track of who & who they aren’t paired with, like this obviously intensifies when you’re at a greater risk of dying, but people are often cleared lategame off of “nobody is paired with them”. (In fact as somebody who doesn’t really value pairing reads as town I find this more plausible, but I do see where you’re coming from with this).
But yeah fmpov jarek is not playing at all like how i’d play so. 
but thank you (& Leafia) for that.
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You’re welcome.
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it’s becoming more apparent to me that the thread is, to some extent, dependent on carbon’s alignment (despite focus not really being directed there) & I did kind of skip over that slot at first because I thought she was just towny.
intro-related stuff
(In response to being voted by hippo for her opening). I don’t particularly have a strong read on this post but it notes a trend of carbon being particularly focused on their habit of dying d1
(in response to chomps saying the entrance is wolfy). Fair enough it’s literally just an opener & neither of them really went into particular reasoning.
I think this response to pandora saying carbonated’s opening was wolfy is interesting? Like I don’t find it a particularly strong reaction but I also don’t see anything wolfy about it. But imo this gets into too much self-meta territory which isn’t typically fruitful grounds.
There is a trend of… indifference? towards this in carbon’s posts, which is easily explainable by “v!carbon doesn’t see an alternative” but could(?) also be w!carbon waiting for partner/knowing wagons like this don’t tend to stick? Don’t really think there’s much better to be expected from her in this situation though.
My gut read is that this is so as Ash helpfully put it “…” because carbonated as town, there’s truthful ways of framing this that don’t look so bad?
Now granted I don’t really like this read, it simplifies down any sort of actual read onto Ash’s post into “high WIM → town” which while it might be accurate also feels reductive & doesn’t say uch about carbon’s own thought process besides that she’s somewhat lazy.
These are ~decent reads if lacking explanation imo
Yeah, I figured i might as well try another go at explaining why I liked this reasoning. this is proceeded by chomps, up to that point having leafia/carbonated PoE saying “you’re so right” to hippo voting. It seems to show that Chomps doesn’t really care about pressing his wolfreads in this situation which to me is a wolftell & Chomps never follows up on this?
I do think EoD1-early d2 carbon is distinctly… deflated in a sense? Which is somewhat fair & is repped in their posts but like it still makes reading difficult (which is quite different from finding her wolfy). I think this sort of thought process & analysis of the thread looks pretty good
this is a pretty good post all things considered like yeah w!carbon probably wouldn’t take her wagon too seriously but also there comes a point at which she would realize presumably?
Low-key quite barren ISO
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Do you want me to link the Grande Idea post where I read her D1 posts on QBCord? Too lazy to repeat censoring them.
Ignore that it was me scum reading t!her.