Vampire The Masquerade SFM: Game Thread MAFIA VICTORY

[Hazardwaste]

@Kiiruma

I was a big wagon but you weren’t doing anything as you ‘wanted to see my reaction’ according to yourself here so I wasn’t wrong here

i literally did say something tho.
i stated i agree with Luka some of your comments were weird and when i was asked to vote i said no i wanted to see your reaction.
that is literally something

[Hazardwaste]

@Kiiruma

1 - I’m not voting you, haven’t voted you this game. Just expressed paranoia of you being a potential convert.

and do you still think i am converted after all the evidence i have given you that i am probably not

[Kiiruma]

Eh, I guess my mind was just expecting something more off of precedence so I overlooked that maybe. I guess we’ve both been a bit wrong about things each other have done (You thinking I’ve voted you, me being surprised about you not doing anything / enough)

[Kiiruma]

I don’t think you are, I had a paranoid bitch moment and I’m probably gonna have that at multiple times this game lol

[Jarek]

@Hazardwaste

i decided to push my friend instead of trying to get them converted later on

Yeah this is why I hate conversion I love being converted but if you’re not known you won’t get converted it’s unpleasant

[Hazardwaste]

im gonna go to my dnd thing. i’ll read during my down times but i wont be writing as much during then

[Hazardwaste]

i was gonna read back on leafia but kiiruma was distracting

[Kiiruma]

Now that I think about it, the fact that you were pushing me / not defending me and the fact that I was paranoid on you and saying that I think you could be a convert means we’re probably currently T/T who are just eyeing each other suspiciously since we know each other are decent convert targets.

[Zone_Q11]

Full disclosure: I don’t know what your alignment is. However, I do think you are a fake role with Arsonist as your true role.

[Jarek]

I want my role to be different that sounds sick

[Kiiruma]

Same
I think it’d be an improvement lol

[IcetFeelsPain]

What am I even arguing about

[Magnus]

This hypothetical role-switching ability is confusing. Aa a Mafia ability, it would most likely be too powerful unless the anti-claim tracked posts made in the thread rather than guessing at player roles. As a town ability, it feels semi-redundant with Abigail’s recharging ability from a setup point of view. The fake role perspective that Zone is determined to argue exists is funny, but effectively has no purpose given Hazard’s original claim; let alone existing for multiple players.

I’m inclined to think it’s evil-sided just because giving town several confirmable abilities (loud Firebrand, Jarek’s claim, etcetera) that can’t be claimed due to the anti-claim just seems rude?

[Zone_Q11]

Let me put this way:
“What if you have a bomb attached to you, and the holder of the detonator is [some player]?”

You don’t know that person’s alignment. They seem like a nice person, but that is NAI. Is it guaranteed they are good? Even if they are good, what guaranteed your survival? You have done one good job, but you can do one more; you don’t want to die. Can you trust that person?

[Magnus]

You have no reason to believe you couldn’t have been doused by someone else entirely, who has no intention of claiming, and you’re accusing Icet wrongly.

[Leafia]

@Magnus

I wouldn’t have been informed about a roleblock if I committed a kill, nor would I want to claim such a thing. This exact scenario has happened before and it’s been disproven already.

You would’ve known that the person you tried to kill survived so you could’ve assumed that you were rbed.

@Kiiruma

Either way I don’t know what people want from me.
Bionic’s vote weight is like 0.5 to me because they throw it around so flippantly.

@Leafia @Luka @May why are you voting for me?
What is it that you’re wanting from me?

Because I think you’re a wolf and while you have provided some reads, it’s not nearly as many as you usually do as town. A readslist with explainations would help too.

@Kiiruma

I hate the fact that people are just like ‘Oh I don’t like this post’ when people didn’t like my posts last game and I was town then too or ‘I don’t like these reads’ which people didn’t last time too

This for instance I find very wolfy. Every game is different.

@Kiiruma

Leafia. Leafia being incapable of reading me isn’t necessarily something which is AI, however I think that the way Leafia is handling this game is too cautious for T!Leaf.

I am being the exact opposite of cautious this game and I am very good at reading you correctly and you know it.

@Kiiruma

I think Leafia misreading me is moreso on purpose this game because Leafia realises I’m an easy mis-execution. And Leafia is playing into the easy mis-execution and safe votes by kind of just going with the flow and not causing any ripples that could be brought back towards herself.

Blatently false. I’m doing the exact opposite of that this game.

@Jarek

I think zone is lock evil, I don’t think kiiruma is evil

Trust me. There’s no worlds where v!Kiiruma acts this way.

Especially when I have a confirmed ability that rarely.if ever belongs to a wolf.

@Kiiruma

I have 5 votes on me.
Do yall really think I’m a wolf having 5 on me this close to SoD with 14 alive?
With majority being 8 ?

There’s only 9 people not voting me. And one of them is me.

I’ve seen wolves get up to l-1 within hours of the game starting.

@Kiiruma

The odds of 5 townies, all voting for the same person with 0 wolves voting for them (This is based around the idea that there’s currently 3 wolves + me)

is 10/14 x 9/13 x 8/12 x 7/11 x 6/10 = 30240/240240 = Approx 12.5%
It’s not likely. At all.

You can’t know the odds without TMI of how many wolves we have.

@Jarek

To me the possibility of a town or mafia arso is possible but it seems everyone else believes differently

It has to be a town or maf arso.

@Zone_Q11

That means that there’s a [Town/Mafia] Arsonist on the loose who wants me dead. (Most likely the latter because why would a Town douse me?)

Why wouldn’t they?

@Luka

FTR, the reason why I’m changing my mind on Kii is for the posts that genuinly seem to be frustrated with how the last 2 games have gone. IK that Kii is capable of faking Frustration / AtE, but idt that he is here? IDK.

Wolves can get frustrated when pushed too. It isn’t AI.

@Zone_Q11

I don’t think Kiiruma is mafia. Why? Because he townreads me. That’s frankly all I need to hear.

I townread you our last game together and I was a wolf.

@Luka

Vote Wazza with me icy.

No. Vote Kiiruma with me.

@May

I’m very ill #ill and I don’t really want to be playing mafia with most of you. I think most of you are acting unpleasantly. VOTE: Leafia Sure

Ummm, please explain why I’d even have the ability I have if I’m a wolf and why I’d ever save you EoD1 if I was a wolf. If I was a wolf, you would’ve been the execution D1. Not Abi.

@IcetFeelsPain

VOTE: leafia

Wolfy. I’m far from my wolfrange this game. I don’t go against consensus this much as a wolf.

@Jarek

The biggest reason I like kiiruma right now at this moment in time is that on the surface they appear solvy. I like solvy. Maybe I should shift my goalposts because that’s kinda why everyones “cool” with me lol

Kiiruma isn’t being solvy in the slightest.

@Zone_Q11

What I understand even less is: If Kii is evil, then why wouldn’t he just start a wagon on me? He has a lot of experience playing with me. He can just say: “Hm, never mind. I was wrong. Jarek is right. Zone is sus. Let’s vote him off.” Why has this not happened yet?

Because he knows you townread people that townread you. Duh.

@IcetFeelsPain

idk what you did last game

I’m voting Leafia because Leafia hasn’t done anything townie

Dies laughing You obviously don’t know how I play.

@IcetFeelsPain

Zone Jarek Town

Luka Someone May Haz Gorta Townish

Kii / Wazza / Magnus / Leafia POE

Bionic and Childe don’t exist

I had less than no reason to get off May and vote for Abi EoD 1 as a wolf. I also tend toollow thread consensus more as a wolf. I’m also a lot more agreeable as a wolf. I also have a verified ability, an ability wolves almost never have if ever.

@Hazardwaste

you know for a fact i hate pressure with all my figment of my being. i willingly put pressure on myself today to share that there is this bastard mechanic

Did ypu get Abi’s role?

[Kiiruma]

@Leafia

You can’t know the odds without TMI of how many wolves we have.

“This is based around the idea that there’s currently 3 wolves”
(This being either 2 wolves + 1 convert (With no deaths I think this is quite possible) or 3 starting wolves with no convert)

[Leafia]

You talk like it has to be the case though, which isn’t true.

[Kiiruma]

Not really, I was speaking a hypothetical.
Definitely doesn’t need to be the case but it’s a fair approximation.

[Leafia]

You weren’t speaking like it was a hypothetical.