When They Cry - Higurashi Forum Mafia | Game Over - Town Win

[Blizer]

ehh

min was okay but like

my only issue was, i prolly was confbias pre-flipping in my min

and i kinda didnt like how they were not really

talking/considering brad

which i felt like was on purpose from him

he was okay individually but like

yeah

[Amelia]

Town play moment

[Arctic]

you use preflips and win on the third try
i fuck preflips and win on the first try
we are not the same

[Amelia]

@Arctic

i fuck preflips and win on the first try

[katze]

“stop killing people”?
uhm
i’m literally neurodivergent and a minor?? lol…

this flavor still makes me laugh even if its probably In Character For Them

[orangeandblack5]

It’s supposed to be comedic so mission accomplished

[lol]

i assumed min was town but their scumread on dota clouded my judgement

[Arctic]

but jake’s scumread on dota made you think he was town and the read was literally “dota is powerwolfing while also immediately bussing his partner eli”

[Arete]

to be fair lots of villagers say dumb things

but yeah that was a little

[orangeandblack5]

Anyways I think the flavor this game was pretty cool props to whoever did that seems like a funny guy

[katze]

i agree unless @orangeandblack5 wrote it cuz he sucks

[dota]

fun setup i would play it again

[gay]

bruh i won’t allow u to steal debil’s job

[min]

Gay

[gay]

gay

[dota]

it doesnt depend on you

[orangeandblack5]

Actually though massive props to @Osieorb18 for letting me completely hijack his game which had completed flavor to substitute in my own weeb shit lmao

[lol]

and?

[lol]

jake is seth 2.0

[Osieorb18]

Post-Game Thoughts

I like open micros… Been a while since I ran a new one.

The setup has been sitting around my design files for a while.

My initial thought process was running a game that was just a repeated Day 1 over and over until one team or the other won.

I think I stuck too hard to the original Groundhog Day idea while trying to keep it small. I’d be kinda interested in trying this with just a single reset, but that might not be enough at the same time. I could also see doing it with more players. A 10-3 version of this with 3 dayvigs and 1 elimination, maybe? Would have to actually do the math but I don’t hate that idea. That said, the game was solved mostly on behavioural analysis, which always feels good.

Finding a way to make the Vigilante not as much of an IC is also of note.

1 Town Private Dayvig
4 Town Vanilla
2 Mafia Vanilla

Single elim, Flipless, No-Kill Nightstart

Night 0, each player may vote on a player to be protected from 1 death during Day 1.

Mafia have a factional Private Dayvig.

End of Day 1, if 0 Mafia are dead, Mafia wins. If 2 Mafia are dead, Town wins. If 1 Mafia is dead, the game restarts with the same rand.

If the game would restart a third time, Mafia wins.

I kinda like this idea because it retains the behavioural focus while still keeping the mechanical interest and not being too quick of a 1-off.

An absolute chaos version would be to combine it with Russian Roulette:

5 Town Vanilla
2 Mafia Vanilla

• No phase lengths.
• Russian Roulette - Each player has a single-shot 1/(6-x) chance ITA, where x is the number of ITAs that have happened since a player last died (or since game start if no one has yet died).
• If every living player has used up their shot but nobody died in the process, all living players reload.
• Whenever a player dies, all living players reload.
• Whenever 3 players have died, if they are all town, Mafia wins. If 2 Mafia have died, Town wins. If 1 Mafia has died, the game starts over with the same rand.
• If the game would start over for a third time, Mafia win.

Absolute chaos, but then again, that’s pretty much all Russian Roulette Mafia games and I don’t know that I’ve ever seen Russian Roulette on a forum rather than via Voice or Text chat “Live Mafia”.

The math in the current version works out to:

11/15 Mafia Win Day 1
2/3 Mafia Win Day 2

And then less determinate on Day 3 because realistically, it depends on Day 2 and on whether or not town follows optimal strategies. For example, in this game…

The good D3 eliminations+kill:

Brad-Eli-Jake (2 possible teams eliminated)
Brad-Eli-min (2 possible teams eliminated)
Brad-Jake-min (2 possible teams eliminated)
Eli-Jake-min (2 possible teams eliminated)

Lesser arrangements:

Blizer-Dota-(Brad/Jake/Eli/Min)
Brad-Jake-(Blizer/Dota)
Brad-min-(Blizer/Dota)
Eli-Jake-(Blizer/Dota)
Eli-min-(Blizer/Dota)

If the D2 deaths were Brad/dota/min, it would have optimized the game for scum since:

Blizer-dota-min (2 teams)
Blizer-Eli-dota (2 teams)

Brad-Jake-??? (1 team)
Eli-Dota-(Brad/Jake) (1 team)

I think the value of behavioural analysis is potentially a bit too much for this as it is, but I’m still happy with how the setup turned out as far as micros go.

Now I need to make a micro setup with multiple Dayvigs in it…

(@Firekitten)

Player Thoughts

• I think Blizer and min did a good job of projecting town quickly and effectively.
• I was expecting lower WIM from lol due to the vig, but he still participated remarkably well.
• Poor Eli, getting shot before he really had the chance to speak.
• Brad and Jake had a good strategy with some degree of bussing, though I think they kinda got caught up on it for a little too long. A bit more coordination in chat may have also helped.
• I didn’t quite get the suspicion on dota throughout the game, but that’s probably at least partly host viewpoint.

All in all, though, a solid resulting game.

Thanks again to everyone for playing! This game was low on issues of toxicity, OGI, and flaking, which is always a relief.

@orangeandblack5

Anyways I think the flavor this game was pretty cool props to whoever did that seems like a funny guy

I felt like a boomer trying to understand even a fraction of the references. I wish visual novels didn’t generally bore me out of my mind…

Genuinely many thanks for your help though. Meant that I could mostly focus on other life stuff at some points in this game.

@orangeandblack5

Actually though massive props to @Osieorb18 for letting me completely hijack his game which had completed flavor to substitute in my own weeb shit lmao

“Osie is a weeb, after all.”

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If people would be interested, I can put some other open micros (Up to 9p) and minis (10-16p) into the queue. Might not all be mostly-vanilla; one of my favourite open micro series that I’ve worked on was role madness (Token Power Mafia, see spoiler).

Token Power Mafia

5 Town
2 Mafia

Each player is Vanilla. At the beginning of the game, as part of each player’s role PM, that player will receive one of the token items listed, associated with a 1-shot role. If a token has a slash on it, its function depends on the alignment of the player who uses it. The Mafia team shares a pool of their tokens, and learns the unused token as a fakeclaim.

Token List:

• Motivator(Town)/Roleblocker(Mafia)
• Bulletproof(Town)/Ninja(Mafia)
• Doctor(Town)/Redirector(Mafia)
• Tracker(Town)/Strongman(Mafia)
• Watcher(Town)/Item Thief(Mafia)
• Commuterizer
• Messenger
• Bread Baker

Role Details

• Motivator - Once per game, as a Night action, you may target another player. That player may use one of their tokens as an extra Action during that Night, whether or not that token is used up.
• Roleblocker - Once per game, as a Night action, you may target another player. That player’s action during that Night are prevented.
• Bulletproof - The first time this game that you would be shot, you are protected from that kill.
• Ninja - Once per game, as a Night action, you may choose to have all actions you take during that Night be unable to be seen by investigative roles.
• Doctor - Once per game, as a Night action, you may target another player. You protect that player from kills during that Night.
• Redirector - Once per game, as a Night action, you may target two other players. Redirect all actions the first player takes during that Night to target the second player.
• Tracker - Once per game, as a Night action, you may target another player. You learn who that player targeted during that Night.
• Strongman - Once per game, as a Night action, you may choose to have all actions you take during that Night be unable to be prevented, protected against, or redirected.
• Watcher - Once per game, as a Night action, you may target another player. You learn who targeted that player during that Night.
• Item Thief - Once per game, as a Night action, you may target another player. You steal an item from that player during that Night. You will always take Bread before a role. If you take a role, that role is only usable if it had not been used yet, or if you become motivated.
• Commuterizer - Once per game, as a Night action, you may target another player. Remove that player from the game for the duration of the Night phase. You gain a chat with that player as long as they are removed from the game. That player cannot target or be targeted by actions while they are removed from the game.
• Messenger - Once per game, as a Night action, you may target another player. Write a message for that player. The host will deliver it during that Night.
• Bread Baker - Once per game, as a Night action, you may target another player. Give that player a Loaf of Bread. A Loaf of Bread is an item with the following actions:
  • “Eat Me” - Once per game, as a Night action, you may eat this bread. The bread will cease to exist.

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See y’all around.