Wiretapper13er [12/13, Night 1]

[Zone_Q11]

I don’t like removing my vote from Willow, but if I have to consolidate my vote, then…

VOTE: pancakes

I remember disliking him more than Hippo.

[Zone_Q11]

@ACE

@Zone_Q11

As long as I townread ACE, there is no reason for w!Leafia to put you on the spotlight.

​🌂 Well. Besides knowing you’d reason in that way—to gain cred and trust.

…? Are you implying a Leafia/Zone W/W world?

[ACE]

…this one has been building up for a while.

WHAT THE FUCK DOES W/W MEAN???

[Zone_Q11]

Wolf/Wolf
I.e., both are wolves / Mafia / evil.

[ACE]

Just as this post came in I also said it out loud to the discord call (that has no players on this forum in it) and my brother helpfully contributed, in response to me saying “I think it means evil” “Oh, werewolf!”

[Zone_Q11]

V/V → Villager/Villager
V/W → Villager/Wolf
W/V → Wolf/Villager
W/W → Wolf/Wolf

[Zone_Q11]

@Zone_Q11

V/W → Villager/Wolf
W/V → Wolf/Villager

For the record, order matters.

[Zone_Q11]

Back to the topic: Ashley, what did you mean by this post?

[soweli]

@Zone_Q11

@soweli

Yes, i think the way dia wolfread frost while also giving cover to give themselves deniability as to why they don’t actually care about the push feels partnered.

A… ha. Hey soweli, you didn’t like seeing ACE’s wagon, right? From what I understand, you didn’t think she is a Mafia.

In that case, why would w!dia move her vote to bus her own teammate (i.e., w!Frost), rather than hopping onto ACE’s wagon, or pancake’s dead wagon (which consisted of me and Hippo at the time)?

Did you… really think poking holes into w!dia’s reads list was enough to make her bus her own teammate? Did you think that w!dia thought that her vote was irrelevant?

I mean kind of? I assumed it wasn’t a really serious vote since they again lampshaded with their past failure and framed it as an impromptu decision, if frost does get wagoned and dia isn’t on the wagon it looks rather bad for them and so it’s an easy pre-emptive move to make. ACE is another matter here and like in a world where dia is in fact trying to appease me i think switching to ACE is not the move here, and they seem too dramatic to really go for pancakes with no reason. It’s hard to say without seeing how the line would’ve played out otherwise

[ACE]

@Zone_Q11

…? Are you implying a Leafia/Zone W/W world?

I wouldn’t say so, no. I’m just pointing out the flaw in you specifically saying that a hypothetical Evil Leafia has nothing to gain from icing Frostwolf.

Leafia has some to gain from that: the fact you’re saying Leafia has nothing to gain from it. This holds in both a scenario where Leafia is evil, a scenario where Leafia and Frostwolf is evil (though this is far more dubious) and even could be part of an explanation of Leafia’s actions if Leafia is good.

Leafia might not necessarily have been motivated by thinking Frostwolf is much more likely to be evil than me, and instead moved to be seen as “saving” a townie.

To be clear, in that scenario it would most likely be a small part of her motivation.

[Chomps]

do not feel it on frost

[Chomps]

also i probably wont be that active this eod

[Chomps]

gut tells me ace feels too performative

[Zone_Q11]

[New thought appears.]

I’ll evaluate your post later.
For the time being: If you (still) think Frost/dia are W/W, then why is your consolidation vote at Hippo rather than Frost?

[Leafia]

It’s not something you can disagree with Ftost. To explain better, that post felt like Soweli was trykng to pair a scumbuddy with a villager to me. Edpecially because the read shr stated made no sense whatsoever and I also find the way that you’re drfendi g yourself by OMGUSing everyone voting for you to be very wolfy.

@Frostwolf103

It doesnt connect to anything of what I posts

It doesn’t need to when evrn without.it you feel like you’re just trying to gdt a villager misexed.

@Zone_Q11

Hey Frostwolf, have you ever scumread Leafia prior to [the post you quoted; the one where you see her powerwolfing]?

I don’t think he has.

@Zone_Q11

Hey @Leafia, if you were given the power to execute either soweli or Frostwolf, who would you kill right now?

Out of those two? Soweli 100%. Even though I think the chances of them being w/w is high, if there’s only one wolf between them, GTH it’s Soweli. Frostwolf is just an acceptable substitute that I’m also finding to be wolfy.

@ACE

I wouldn’t say so, no. I’m just pointing out the flaw in you specifically saying that a hypothetical Evil Leafia has nothing to gain from icing Frostwolf.

Leafia has some to gain from that: the fact you’re saying Leafia has nothing to gain from it. This holds in both a scenario where Leafia is evil, a scenario where Leafia and Frostwolf is evil (though this is far more dubious) and even could be part of an explanation of Leafia’s actions if Leafia is good.

Leafia might not necessarily have been motivated by thinking Frostwolf is much more likely to be evil than me, and instead moved to be seen as “saving” a townie.

To be clear, in that scenario it would most likely be a small part of her motivation.

My very first game with ACE and she already understands how I wolf. Impressive. Especially considering she has never seen w!Leafia. I feel even better about ACE being a villager now.

[ACE]

I’ll note that I’ve claimed to play performative in all Mafia games and linked to four prior games of mine as evidence.

I also claimed that the reason I do that is partially to make my Evil and Good playstyles harder to distinguish.

[soweli]

runaway wagon is boring for threadstate and i don’t like parking on them, frost had a lot of votes, i thought other alternatives were wolfy, i think hippo has been ~wolfy, it’s where achro’s voting

i’m probably a biiit more cooled on the read given that the wagon has gained traction and dia has stayed the course but i just kinda want to see

[Zone_Q11]

@soweli

I mean kind of? I assumed it wasn’t a really serious vote since they again lampshaded with their past failure and framed it as an impromptu decision

[Everything beyond this part is you explaining your thoughts on what w!dia would do.]

Hm… Very well. Your thought process makes sense to me. (Though, this has gotten me curious as to how @diafiasco would react to your post.)

[Chomps]

luka is an interesting slot i sorta scumlean it but at the same time i have read luka wrong many times and don’t wanna do them dirty d1

[Chomps]

hippo is someone I think gets more readable later