I’ve read this over, I don’t really think it changes my mind. The reasoning for new Balloonist to add an Outsider at all feels like a holdover from the old variant without its own reason to exist here.
oh trust me, it does still need it for base 0 games
give a think over the info if there’s no Outsiders in play
lol so it makes base 0 worse by existing to selfishly nerf itself
It’s so BAD 
This would be a script issue which could be resolved by other characters on the board, or the Sentinel fabled if nothing else. Like how Librarian doesn’t need to add an Outsider because it’s adjusted for by other characters.
I think these straits are akin to the Bounty Hunter, actually. It’s a swingy character which has a steep downside and room to cause sweeping damage across any game, or it could have no effect. It can be difficult to bluff for this reason, since you’re blaming players who might be able to confirm themselves by other means. An even comparison would be to imagine if the Bounty Hunter was defanged to make its ability more fair to both teams, specifically how doesn’t matter, but still had the modifier. It’s a reminder more than anything else.
That might be a tad strongly worded, though.
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I don’t think so I wasn’t directing anything at anyone I’m smack talking the character of balloonist
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Which does, by the way, selfishly make base 0 games worse with a +1 outsider so it doesn’t instantly win the game
I guess that was a problem with balloonist before though
It’s still a bad character hot -take
not really? Librarian doesn’t add an Outsider because its info doesn’t become insanely overpowered when there are none. new Balloonist in no Outsiders and no setup mod can pretty easily wreck evil with their info.
Bounty Hunter is a character capable of nuking games in either direction to a far greater degree than most Townsfolk so im not sure if it compares to Balloonist that well. The setup is evil sided enough that it genuinely can’t be defanged without making its setup less destructive.
okay im actually going to follow through and stop responding here like i said i would earlier
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RARGH
how many people are alive rn anyway
Ten alive, five dead. Everyone aside from Carbonated, Litten, May, Kelsier and I.
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