14159th poster gets a cookie (cookie thread (Part 7)) (Part 11)

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#11529

yea me too

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#11530

oh are we doing secret cookie thread again i just saw The Tell

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#11531

i don’t know history…

if anything jason’s answer shouldn’t count he actually knows this shit

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#11532
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taken in context with the other questions, yeah i’d assume arete was asking about a particular european form of plate armor that likely did not show up until after guns were invented. However, the question asked was “when was plate armor invented” which is a distinctly different question. it’s existed in simplest forms outside of europe for thousands of years before the full plate armor (made of steel with lots of articulation) of the late middle ages which is what we largely associate with the term.

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#11533
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  1. Song dynasty/Mongols used gunpowder weapons but i can’t remember if they had any guns or if it was mainly explosives… If you’re talking about guns in Europe I literally just read an article yday about it, I think it was 14th-15th century?
  2. I remember they had guns during the Hundred Years’ War but they played a minor role in battles… eh I’ll go with that as my answer.
  3. No idea
  4. Hm 800s-early 1500s?
    Charlemagne, Richard the Lionheart, Hundred Years’ War, Black Death, Crusades were the first 5 reasonable things I came up with

The first unreasonable thing I came up with was
Erfurt latrine disaster - Wikipedia

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#11534
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Probably around the 1700s
1770s
1325
1230-1640 (probably). Julius Caesar, the Ottoman Empire, and probably some other stuff idk

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#11535

original answer

#11536

Waow

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#11537
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holy shit this post is designed to make me get violently angry

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#11538
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what do you mean ish julius caesar is famously a medieval figure whose lifespan is within 1230-1640

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#11539
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This is how I escape Nbowie.

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#11540
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LMAO sorry bestie you just made a comment that opened you up to a bit

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#11541
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It’s not my fault I forget 90% of what I learn in my history-adjacent classes by the time I get home.
What do you expect me to do, actually remember the years of 90 very similar events that just kinda blur together, were from centuries before I was born, and took place in countries that I regularly forget the locations of, on account of them being on an entire other continent?

#11542

the american education system

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#11543
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We are big enough nerds to expect that of you.
It’s also just some really cool stuff if you do end up engaging with it.

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#11544
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I need to put my phone down I can’t stop laughing thinking about Neon unintentionally ragebaiting Ish

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#11545
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like 1600s i think?
like 1700s, unless you mean guns as like the primary method for killing, then itd be like mid 1800s
Probably 1000s
Middle ages, something like 700-1400 I think is justifiably medieval depending on setting. Black death, fuedal system, knights, etc

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#11546

i have yglesias blocked on twitter

i don’t like to tread into wonkworld too much bc my job is crusty enough as is but a guy i went to college with is maybe the most famous person on election twitter so i think my algo put me there sometimes from when i was following him

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#11547

Important calibration: I have a degree in history but am not a medievalist in any way shape or form , other than one semester abroad at Oxford where I LARPed as one

Summary

  1. When were guns invented?
    Probably depends on what you consider a gun as opposed to a “rudimentary shooty thingy”. I think it’s c. 1000 AD, in China.

  2. When did guns start being a major part of military battles?
    I’ll say like 1500, I feel like the conquistadors had firearms when they were marauding and before then I feel like guns were kind of bad and unwieldy.

  3. When was plate armor invented?
    I have no idea, I’ll say like 1000 as well but it probably wasn’t as popular as chain mail because it’s fucking slow and you can’t move for shit.

  4. What years would you describe as medieval?
    I don’t think historians use this anymore but I do think people are mostly thinking of the Late Middle Ages here. I’ll say 1200-1400 but you can extend that a whole lot.

  5. What are some examples of medieval events?
    Mostly jousting it’s all jousting that is where all of our cultural idea of medieval comes from jousting and eating a big fucking chicken leg. I don’t know if this is Shakespeare’s fault or not

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#11548
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  • Depends on what you consider a gun, as similar-in-function tools had been used in china for a long time (iirc like 1k years or something). Psure more modern-ish firearms started appearing more broadly a couple hundred years after that, and rifling is a relatively recent invention at like 4-5 hundred years ago iirc.

  • see above, wouldn’t expect a major discrepancy (although obviously tactics weren’t based around them being meaningfully different from bows until like 500 years ago or so)

  • I’d imagine full plate armor would have been invented probably about 1000 years ago. Might be a tad newer, this is a guess. Plate armor is not particularly strong into crushing melee forces so I’d imagine it was probably in a bit of an arms race with more advanced bows and early firearms until obviously guns eventually won out.

  • Medieval to me would likely be like 500-1500 or so. Probably most people think about like the 1000-1200-ish timeframe as being stereotypically medieval. Basically fall of Rome to new world.