tom york
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yo mr white
Is tihs what your entire mind looks like
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My point is that you can sincerely believe it without being a eugenicist asshole and the only difference in thought needs to be âLLMs will probably be useful for medicine/lead to advances in medicineâ vs âLLMs will probably notâ
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Cyrene? i donât think i know how her kit works tbhtbh
Was more referring to The Dahlia and how it forces the Super Break archetype into the same âI deal damage that can CRITâ mold that a lot of characters fall into.
Removes their unique playstyle and all that.
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I did not read this post very closely before noting this fact and having read it more I understand it a lot less
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I think youâre pattern-matching the thing Iâm saying onto people youâve heard online are eugenicists and thus are concluding that my argument must be implicitly eugenicist or defending eugenicists when itâs like a much less specific point than what youâre deciding it is
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I donât think we agree on what⌠âproductivityâ is being referred to here, or what it encompasses?
I think you draw a line between âproductivityâ, which is Capitalist Profit Seeking designed to Produce More Widgets, and âbenefits to the human raceâ, which are good. This is not how I think, and I donât really think itâs possible to draw a fine line between them.
Increased productivity in drug discovery and medicine saves lives. Even the stupid bullshit, even if you invent some task management software that doctors find really useful for scheduling meetings and then they spend 15 minutes less a day answering emails and spend 15 minutes longer with patients and thus catch something useful.
I dunno, itâs like, thereâs a lot of man-hours in the world that go toward improving human life, and anything that makes those man-hours faster increases the time being spent saving lives. Iâm sure microwave dinners have saved at least one life because somebody had more time to do stuffâŚ
Yes, it is possible to believe âin the context of AI, these kinds of benefits to âproductivityâ are too disconnected from real life-saving things to be something we should account forâ, everything Iâve said is quite indirectâŚ
âŚbut thatâs something youâd have to argue, itâs not a default assumption, and not believing that definitely doesnât account to the points you attribute to it.
I think youâre pulling in and projecting a lot of beliefs about racism, colonialism, and such onto this, and itâs⌠doesnât make any sense.
I guess, like, Iâve heard the point of ânothing is worth losing a life over, if something kills anybody itâs never worth itâ, but what Iâm saying is that life-saving-technologies and non-directly-life-saving-technologies are intricately connected, that if you make your hydroelectric power plant and somebody falls over the dam maybe itâs worth peopleâs lives being improved and lengthened by the power, or by the lack of coal dust.
Uhh Iâm gonna step away from this because I think you are mostly coming to what Iâm saying with pattern-matching on stuff that you read in a paper once, and thereâs not very much point to having this discussion
Yes, but youâre also laundering the statement the other way. Productivity is not medical advancements. ML models were already used in specific areas of medical research before ChatGPT. There was never any indication of what kind of productivity he was actually referring to in the statement or leading up to it, so I took it at face value which was that if it increases productivity in a general, nonspecific sense, that it was worth the harm it did, even if it killed people. The seeming indifference to the kinds of productivity that could be gained was the problem, and the assumption that itâll work out somehow is the problem. Thatâs why itâs callous to me. Him later arguing against the harm caused by AI psychosis by essentially saying âwell, those people were high risk so who gives a shitâ illustrates the same sort of indifference to me.
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Itâs not just pattern matching to a paper I read once, but itâs why Iâm skeptical of that sort of the original framing in that context. I think we are disagreeing on the interpretation of what was meant by productivity. But itâs fine I need to step away from this conversation anyway.
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microwave dinners probably also have saved lives with people actually eating food. It might not be healthy but itâs better than not eating.
This might seem callous, but people die from a lot of stuff. Any invention comes up with a warning list of how to not use the product, yet people still use it incorrectly and die. I donât think thatâs an argument against creating things. For every person negatively impacted by something, someone may be positively impacted by.
In engineering ethics, one of the things we did was building a list of positive and negatives from something. For example a power plant being built. We would rank them based on how good the positives were and negatives were on a list. I donât really remember what this was called, but there can be a lot of negatives to something seemingly mundane.
too many wallposts, too little brain
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to me not much brain for me please donât kill me wallposters 
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sheep me so we either win or lose together
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