30000th poster gets a cookie (cookie thread (Part 7)) (Part 10)

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Check out our staged scones

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May is lolcatting VOTE: May

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pronouns

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#27339

What about pronouns

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we share …

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#27341

This is true

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my girlfriend is gonna celebrate the solstice with me this year im so excited

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Are you afraid of AI’s taking over the world or is your mentality the same with regards to software?

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im just a girl

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I know you probably don’t mean to endorse every vaguely-related-to-the-paper claim that Gebru + Torres make here, but fwiw I think the “TESCREAL bundle” referenced in the title of the paper is mostly not a very useful analytical lens for understanding the world. Like, some of the communities referenced have historical ties to each other, or overlap with each other, but not all of them, and in practice the main thing I see the framework used for is trying to smear people by associating them with the worst people associated with any individual letter of the acronym (which, to be fair, are definitely quite bad!), often by calling them eugenicists, even when they have little or nothing in common with those people and do not support eugenics.

I have a friend from a tiny fanfic/RP community, someone I’ve known since I was eighteen or nineteen, who definitely fits some of the letters in the acronym. A few years ago she donated her kidney to a stranger, she gives a lot to charity, she’s vegan, when I tried to come up with ethical criticisms to make of her my brain generated ‘she recruited people for a Pathfinder campaign and then the campaign fell apart’ which is not actually an ethical criticism. In practice her main involvement with AI is that she’s working on self-driving cars because she wants to reduce car accident mortality. I think it would be completely ridiculous to say “oh, she fits with a few letters in the acronym, therefore she must be a eugenicist.” (I think this is true basically regardless of her expectations about the future of AI, which I haven’t recently interrogated her about.)

Certainly you can find people in many of those communities who are eugenicists, or racists, or whatever other criticism you care to name. But – if you’re trying to figure out whether a specific individual person, like May, is any of those, you can… look at that specific person? Trying to guess whether May supports (for example) eugenics by taking wild guesses at the base rate of classism among people who think AI might have positive effects seems wildly inferior to just… looking at May’s actual takes, or for that matter asking May “do you support eugenics” (the latter would have issues in many cases on account of how people will sometimes lie, but I think May is pretty unlikely to lie. Way more likely that May gives you some kind of pedantic ‘well technically it depends on whether you consider it to be eugenics when Tay-Sachs carriers do IVF to avoid having a baby who will die at age three’ answer.)

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also Torres has been an asshole to some of my friends on Twitter but to be fair if we discredit all opinions on the basis of “people who advocate for them have ever been assholes on Twitter” there would be no opinions left

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hi arete

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hi

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i opened a bank account 2day

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congratulations

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On the topic of AI, I got served some videos of asking different AIs what they would do in different trolley problems. What I’ve gleamed from this is that google gemini is a pussy whereas grok is based.

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When I get to my computer I’m gonna ask my alter ego

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ooh crits i love critical hits especially with the third degree

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anyways the third degree can be festivized now but it doesn’t look that good

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ill ask chat GPT to find me a suitable mate

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