30001st poster gets a cookie (cookie thread (Part 7)) (Part 9)

ive been watching baki recently so im convinced i could destroy anyone if i just use the eastern void toothbrush technique

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I laughed like 10 seconds at my own comment

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No they aren’t me

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You are such a dork :skull: im half laughing with you half laughing at you

:heart:

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i am quite a weak person but a knee to the groin is a knee to the groin

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At least I have the confidence, my dear sister. You’ll just cry in the corner when your little thing you call ā€œbullyingā€ doesn’t quite work out for you.

The wind could just take you and you’d fold like aaaaa

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Ok congratulations everybody but I started looking at v3 defenses again for research purposes and I’m baffled at how kokichi secretly being a good guy (in the sense that his goal is to help everybody) is not just a take people have but one that people say is the definitive correct one?

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IIRC

Kokichi said that they always tried to solve the trials through mischief ( and also ā€œnobody should be forced to play a game, they don’t wantā€), if you’d explore his room, you’d also find so many many many collectibles as he’s trying to do research on the place, so he definitely puts his weight in, I would think. It’s just his methods are really unorthodox, I’m not sure if it’s from genuine malice or trying to trick the game, I feel it’s both, but to the point it blurs the line.

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according to the text of the game yes

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I think a reading where he just wants to beat the mastermind makes more sense than him trying to help everyone though

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Vivian loves you all and good night

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good night vivian1!!!

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Good night. Make me a sandwich for breakfast tomorrow

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To be fair I do think ā€œlying is goodā€ is a message I’m never willing to get behind and that he’s irredeemably rude to everybody (Kaede in the death road to despair, outing Maki, manipulating Gonta, trying to make Kirumi do chores for him, how he treats Miu, etc.) to the point that I can’t think he’s in good faith trying to help everybody & is instead acting self-interestedly, i.e. gathering everyone’s motive videos (he does allege that his goal is to share them with everybody but that never happens so he’s gaining an information imbalance), and most blatantly in case 5 he’s more trying to win one over on the game-master than trying to get everyone out alive I think. I generally don’t see how his actions are necessary to helping everybody (especially in case 4 when things are like very avoidable by his actions

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It’s overtly stated that Kokichi does want to stop the game but that his efforts are hindered by his inability both to trust the people around him (he actively manipulates all his co-conspirators) or to realize that the game’s creators have little regard for the rules (his 3-5 plan, as Benguined’s noted before, would have just gotten the entire group killed, and even 3-6 doesn’t terribly faze them). As such, he feels that he must end the game, no matter the cost, and to this end, he adopts an antagonistic persona to better align with Monokuma.
The facade falls when he breaks down to Kaito right before he dies, and it’s confirmed when Shuichi finds that Kokichi’s idea of being a Cult Leader is childish: his gang is just a bunch of pranksters, and his Ultimate Lab is basically a playroom.

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He is a kid who thinks that the burden of saving everyone lies on his shoulders, so he actively plays to manufacture a situation where he can manipulate everyone into a giant plan. 3-4 is a great example of this messiah complex at play: he sees himself as being so valuable and his plan so important that he’s willing to force Gonta to kill Maki to save his own skin.

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… are these danganronpa spoilers.

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yes, actually

Yes.
Extensively.

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oh no.

good thing i didn’t read too closely.

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