30001st poster gets a cookie (cookie thread (Part 7)) (Part 9)

Please play V3.

i clicked on them and skimmed then saw 3-4 then turned it off

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No money and also i don’t have windows

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I think it’s on phones now?

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i can’t download things on it bc yk

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I’ll start it in 1.5 years. If I don’t, remind me.

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Anyways, I’m not gonna argue that Kokichi is a good person - he is directly responsible for a lot of people dying - but he’s not a monster. He does want to save people, and the consequences of what he’s doing weigh on him far more than he lets on. That’s why I like V3 so much: compared to Nagito’s obsession with pushing people to the brink to see them pull a recovery, Kokichi is a far more layered (and far more human) character, a boy who sees an increasingly impossible situation and decides that he must be the one to drag everyone to salvation, even if it’s with them kicking and screaming.

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massive spoilers for the entirety of v3

Chapter 1: kokichi unambiguously loses to the mastermind here. he’s lost the game before he even knows it’s begun. he nevertheless persists in trying to be the smartest person in the room because he’s not even smart enough to know he’s not, and his future plans rely on the killing game runners being forced to play by the rules when they already didn’t

Chapter 2: he knows who has which motive, and he knows ryoma’s motive is empty. In spite of all this, he doesn’t think to warn anyone about kirumi and directs ryoma to his own motive. he is at minimum responsible for ryoma giving up his life, if not in some sense indirectly responsible for the entire case. it’s impossible for me to contextualize him as still having the group’s best interest in mind. besides, if he really had the group’s best interest in mind and was really as scared of what maki would do as he tried to convey, he would’ve outed her as soon as he found out, not waiting until after the end of a draining trial and certainly not in a way designed to aggravate her as much as possible.

Chapter 4: he needed miu out of the way because she would call his bluff on his mastermind plan. he needed gonta out of the way because he was the closest thing he had to a friend. he’s in full outsmart everyone else mode by this point, damn the expense.

Chapter 5: kokichi’s plan to stop the killing game goes so well that it almost gets everyone to kill each other. while he did force the mastermind’s hand, he then responds with a plan entirely based on an assumption that, as mentioned earlier, he would know was false were he really the smartest person in the room. in his final moments, he tips his hand by asking if he was boring, moments after revealing he’s pretty sure there’s an audience. he aims both to outsmart and entertain, and to the audience he certainly did one of those two things.

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I mean if we are to take what he says to Kaito as true, I think that his line about not being boring is also definitely of note, it’s been a while but I’m pretty sure this was a thread that popped up. I to an extent agree that he wants to end the killing game, but I don’t think it has anything to do with care for the other people as much as broader ideology about games and how they ought to be played (and his own agency) which is kind of a big difference in the motivation that people tend to describe. I suppose that in theory he could be playing optimally since only 2 people are supposed to survive & so having more people than that would be better but also

Also people tend to identify a moment that he starts this plan that’s normally after the death road of despair during which I would strongly argue his treatment of Kaede is uh… not necessarily abusive per se but his rhetoric is questionable at best

I don’t think that his gang being a bunch of pranksters actually changes much about his character either tbqh besides "oh i guess he wasn’t that bad beforehand

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I’m personally of the theory that Kirumi was lying about Ryoma giving up his life, given that Ryoma seemed to be fighting for his life in the bathroom and thus left the scratches in the basin. The fanfic writer in me thinks Ryoma was going to talk to Kirumi about how he wants to try and find a reason for living his life, but Kokichi really did not need to test things there.

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Also btw I can’t actually find the video so there’s a possibility i’m making it up but I swear I saw somebody say that (carbonated don’t click this one)

Kaede dying showed him that going against Monokuma in the same way as Kaede would lead to him dying when no. It was the murder that led to her dying.

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I think the Death Road of Despair is actually when Kokichi decides that he needs to be the hero because he sees Kaede’s attempt at leadership as being disastrous for everyone.

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Mmm that’s fair. I do think that like. whenver you pinpoint it he is still a liar from the beginning which (barring weird ending shenaanigans) part of his deal is just lying presumably for attention? (i had a more developed thouhgt on this but i forgot idk he’s irony poisoned or something) (I like MAYBE buy that he thinks it’s for the greater good even if he’s definitely wrong)

also wow it’s very windy rn feels like the big bad wolf is blowing on my straw house

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I’m so tempted

Meow nya purr

Oh, no, he’s absolutely an attention-seeker (I wanna say that’s why he had his cult, but that’s a bit hard to claim when none of that actually exists). I imagine it’s partly the reason he starts forming that messiah complex: he’s used to being the center of attention and thus seeks to be the anti-hero.

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Im scared of going outside. I need my pepper gel to arrive. I hope i wont have to use it. If i get assaulted again i will make him feel pain. Its normally a very safe country. Sober people dont cause trouble. You just cant predict what drunk lowlife scum will do

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what?? I thought you were she her already tbh…

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You got assaulted?

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