8-Ball FM - Night 1 (7/8)

[May]

Look, I still feel weird about tutuu. I still do. It’s unfortunately a fact. I think that he’s gone to great effort to turn things around, fairly successfully, and that I haven’t usually seen him do that as wolf so maybe he is town, but I still can’t let go of a few things. Which may just be him playing weirdly because he thinks that’s optimal. But I don’t like them. I can be specific.

[FORTRESS_WEATHER_LIVE]

Votecount

tutuu (2): Ishmael, diafiasco
diafiasco (1): tutuu
Marshal (1): Xorbitant
Ishmael (1): Memekingpizza

Not Voting (3): Chomps, May, Marshal

[Ishmael]

if i was a wolf and needing to try to guide people to voting my 8ball target this is the exact post damn bar for bar word for word i’d hit send on

point precisely to the posts you feel like advance an agenda

[Chomps]

If you’re town im mauling ish and dia pinky promise purr

[Chomps]

@Xorbitant

Okay I also liked their entrance so u townlean them bcz of that? Bcz u haven’t seen anything proving otherwise? So thats more scum than town

Xyz with 0 posts, he is townlean bcz he has nothing scummy but he has nothing overall

That’s such a huge stretch I’m worried you’ll pop a bone

[Chomps]

I’m talking about may who is not a 0 poster in your exaggeration, she posted good and none of her future posts hit me as bad, some even good, that’s enough

[Chomps]

happy birthday dia

[Chomps]

the townreads on Xorbitant are genuinely crazy to me

[May]

OK I was reading back tutuu iso and it all seems good and fine until specifically this post sets me off:

@tutuu

Unless Xorb is a wolf then both wolves have decided to constantly shade me and call me wolfy for bad reasons. I feel obligated to omgus. If a villager is scumreading me u are doing it with 1-2 wolves ftr. Please try to not fall into mob mentality. If literally everyone shades me im gonna struggle a bit differentiating wolves from villagers

And I’m trying to process the difference between egocentrism and wolfiness. This is the first time tutuu really pulls rhetoric to go “haha if you’re a villager stop scumreading me”, and then keeps hammering it home. And my problem w/ that is theory of mind stuff, I don’t share tutuu’s exact townreads, and thus I don’t know I’m shading tutuu with 1-2 wolves. It could be tutuu/MKP. And it feels like he completely fails to acknowledge this and instead focuses on leveraging stuff to get townread as hard as possible.

And that’s wolfy! That’s wolf goals! Obviously town wants to be townread, but if you are lying and pushing agenda to get townread, you make it completely impossible to distinguish yourself from a wolf.

@tutuu

Youve played hydra game with chloe with me, also just generic towntells. If you dont know my specific towntells u also dont know my specific wolf tells and im skeptical that ur not finding me as town using generic town tells

And, like, this advocates for an insane lack of caution that I can’t see as a genuine believed-perspective. Because every time Marissa or I would ask tutuu what towntells he should be found on, he couldn’t really respond at all.

ASIDE: 'MAY IS LOCK WOLF'

@tutuu

May is lock wolf

VOTE: May

@tutuu

V!May is wayyy better at reading me than this. Shes wolf here. @Ishmael if u mischop me and see me flip town kill may next pls

@tutuu

This is how a wolf responds to a villager. Very careful and not sure what to do when the villager is being blatantly towny for a weird reason. V!May is perfectly capable of making interesting townreads and finding villagers for unorthodox reasons. Theres none of that here

Also wolves are going ham on me btw

@tutuu

Ill try to, also ill legacy u wolf. Idk if Ish will listen. But I have my wardog Chomps he can bite

@tutuu

May is outed wolf

Second wolf is dia or ish. Leaning dia

@tutuu

Ur a wolf whos mad at my swagger

@tutuu

Eod is in more than 24 hours. Im tunneled on may

@tutuu

If May was a villager she would say “tutuu being so ridiculously stubborn means he’s just town”. I trust in my read on May more than I trust any of your guys’ reads on May

Here is every time tutuu has said I’m lockwolf. Extremely repeatedly.

@tutuu

i thought may was town. earlier i thought u were town too so we argued harder. im convinced ur mafia now so im chilling, atm

@tutuu

or like, i considered may being town

Then suddenly, as soon as it comes time to talk to Marissa, tutuu thought I was town? Or considered me being town? Look at how many times he said I was lock wolf

@tutuu

i jumbled my words. the topic was “why is tutuu being patient with marissa”. i meant to say that im tunneled on marissa wolf rn. i wasnt tunneled on you wolf earlier. i considered you could be town. so i argued harder because thats what id do with ppl who i think could be my teammates

HE SAID HE WAS TUNNELLED ON ME EXPLICITLY USING THOSE WORDS

End aside

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@tutuu

Underlined sounds like a good reason to suspect May. When u have the “reasonable” guy versus the Drunken Bozo, why would you townread the reasonable guy more. Apply pattern recognition from past games @Marshal (not me/may specifically, generallly). How often is the wolf in my position and how often in may

I DON’T THINK ANYBODY SHOULD CAST THEMSELVES AS A DRUNKEN BOZO IN A GAME THEY’RE GENUINELY TRYING TO PLAY WELL AND WIN. I think this self-casting sounds a lot like somebody who is intentionally playing up entitlement for townreads!

@tutuu

I think ppl should townread me off of generic towntell reaosns. Just how unormally play mafia. If ppl dont like this answer too bad. Just because this present lobby isnt finding me as lock town doesnt mean im not confident that 95% of players i play with would pock town me for this posting. I play a lot of games and i remember what happens generally. Its such a struggle for me to get townread on FoL

Like, does tutuu think horribly of his own wolfgame?

@tutuu

I think a safe assumption would be to start with townreading me. How often do wolves go all out like this. Whomst am i pocketing. How often is the player in question “a wolf taking refuge in audacity” versus “a villager being misread”. In this specific situation i can tell wolves are onto my ass and painting me as scummier than i actually am. If this was a large game, 3-4 ppl suspecting me would be a non-issue. We are playing an 8 person game. Every persons resds mattrr. Im adapting to our tiny game by being more reactionary

Genuinely his entire gameplay seems to revolve around trying to get people to townread him!

@tutuu

@tutuu

You would townread audacity and refusal for diplomacy

U havent seen me play as wolf like this

And he seems to think I’m stupid! He seems to think that I think that wolves can only play one way over and over again! I think that the tutuu-model in my head could absolutely go for audacity.

I HAVE LITERALLY SEEN YOU PLAY LIKE THIS AS WOLF IN POPCORN WHEN WE WERE W/W

You intentionally took refuge in audacity to look as insane as possible while bussing me!

@tutuu

Sure, but u evaluate odds right? Why not evaluate tutuu >rand town?

And it’s constant! He won’t rest until I start townreading him! You can’t play like this!

@tutuu

U arent ridiculously stubborn ur very cordial and sensible and surface level reasonable, fmpov. I suspect u for that partly

This is genuinely some of the angriest I’ve been in an FoL mafia game! I have no idea how you have the impression that I’m cordial! I’m fucking upset and I think that’s been clear!

[May]

OK I’m done being mad for a moment. I don’t think tutuu is lock wolf, I think he’s like a wolflean at most, but I think the number of times he’s contradicted himself and failed to show a consistent mindset is a reeeed flag regardless of anything else. Here I specifically refer to:

1. The statement that “I’m treating Marissa differently because I wasn’t tunnelled on May, but I think Marissa is lock wolf”, after having made many, many explicit statements saying "May is lock wolf, I am tunnelled on May"
   
   1a. I have seen tutuu previously claim to be “tunnelled” and not actually (he changed his mind on Kyubey in Summer Vacation Mountainous), so this could just be tutuu using words to mean things they do not mean/exaggerating his confidence.

2. Repeated appeals to people to townread him over anything else, even when these appeals would not make sense from the person being appealed to: belief that not townreading him is inherently a failure on everybody else’s part. He clearly rewards people for townreading him and paints it as a way to get him off your back.

3. Explicit self-casting as a “drunken bozo” who is being audacious and refusing diplomacy, and claiming no wolf would ever do this. For one, he has literally done this in Popcorn before, and for two, he also tries to claim that he should be townread for transparency and process, something that’s somewhat at odds with being a “drunken bozo who makes no sense”.

[May]

It’s weird how Xorbitant keeps claiming I’ve contributed nothing when I really haven’t?

[May]

I have 133 posts in topic man

[May]

I think Ishmael is towny just for general good texture + complexity of thouhgts and I think it’s weird that tutuu keeps going “yeah Ishmael has nothing towny lalalala” it’s flattening

[May]

Chomps is towny for having decently strong opinions and actually standing by them, in FAM w!Chomps just kind of let things pass them by

[Chomps]

VOTE: tutuu

[tutuu]

[tutuu]

Consider may too, 2/3 there

[Ishmael]

this is part of why i think he’s in a superposition of town and wolf

he’s just so disconnected from gamestate consistently that it’s only coming from a wolf who doesn’t know how to play longform and isn’t being coached so he just blindly pushes agenda regardless so it’s justifiable but also it’s just so fucking insane i don’t think his wolf partner lets him consistently do that

[Xorbitant]

Question mark ?

[Xorbitant]

Ikr stll before the above two wallpost I didn’t find anything worthy