If a Pixie or ceremad player asks for clarification on whether their specific scenario does or doesn’t satisfy madness, will you give it to them or let them figure it out?
Will you ever actually use the Cerenovus to execute a madness break in F3?
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A) within reason. The more work and details you put into crafting the hypothetical you privately propose to me, the more likely you are to get a straight answer
B) probably not but i still reserve the right to do this if 1) the player is failing miserably or 2) they are blatantly defying madness
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i assume if you’re made mad as drunk you just have to “figure out” or “reason” that you’re probably drunk at some point during the day
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Ye
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Is Pixie madness measured throughout the entire game, or at the time of the other player’s death?
I.e if you claim Pixie on D1, but then convince town it was a bluff and you’re actually the Ravenkeeper, and that this other player claiming Ravenkeeper is the Mutant or something.
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This could work but also the non-pixie cannot acquiesce too quickly. A fight is required in any case to obfuscate the identity of the pixie. It would be at ST discretion
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The latter I’d say. But this situation seems difficult to satisfy for me – multiple players would need to both be trusting the player as RK and totally believe that pixie was always a bluff. It could happen but I’ve never seen a non-pixie hardclaim pixie competently
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Like it’s partly both, but conditions at the time of death trump
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So… other players are required to uphold the masquerade in order for it to work?
That feels like a potential danger, if town isn’t allowed to solve for a Pixie or a Mutant without breaking madness on their behalf.
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Either side can acquiesce eventually. But if a consensus is eventually reached it cannot be the correct one. If a consensus is not reached regarding the thunderdome then madness isn’t broken.
But the key thing is that the pixie needs to fight back against the claim that they could be the pixie. Either by accusing the other one of being pixie, ceremad, lying, etc. But the non-pixie cannot relent too quickly or it would be too obvious
Trying to solve would not break madness, but if the result of the solve attempt is an accurate consensus, then that would.
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So long as it’s not unanimous agreement, madness might be maintained, depending on the ratio. St discretion
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If a Mutant is unfortunately ceremad as an outsider I’d usually recommend them to break the ceremadness as that lasts 1 day whereas if you break the mutant madness you can be executed whenever :3
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This is correct advice. The ST cannot impose a punishment in the future for a past madness break.
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My comment does not apply to this game as N.1 is running madness contrary to common convention, but I personally would be (and believe other STs should be) very apprehensive to punish a double mad player who is fulfilling at least one of their madnesses.
I think there’s room to argue that certain madness should take priority. Prior tempore, potior uire should probably be applied imo.
So in the case of ceremad mutant, mutant madness should take priority. Why? Because it maintains the stability of their prior madness and they can’t say that they were attempted to be made ceremad anyway because that would imply that they are already afflicted by madness and hence break their own mutant madness
The alternative would be that the mutant is forced to suddenly changes stories (not very convincing for both their past madness, which may be reinstated as ceremadness is temporary, or their current ceremadness) and also that they’re allowed to blatantly say they’re not the mutant
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But the Pixie cannot control this. If the Pixie argues that they can’t be the Pixie (thus fulfilling madness) and the other player relents, isn’t that unfairly harsh to the actual Pixie?
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You’re kind of right but also this incentivizes the actual role to back down immediately because it’s better to assume that there’s a pixie than it’s a minion
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If you have a better solution i’m open to suggestions
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Realistically there won’t be any problems, Pixie is a fairly easy role to run in practice.
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because it inevitably becomes “You know a good Townsfolk is in play.”
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Not really. If they just want to play as a worse Washerwoman, they can do that. If they want to claim the other role as a backup, that’s cool too. You can generally tell by how the Pixie player is trying to use their ability and just respect that unless they mess up terribly.
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