Cookie Thread Act 9: i like origami

those 2 weeks of dehydration and the occasional scream will be funny

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I’m pretty sure you can if there’s reason to believe they could not survive.
Again, no food or water means that you can make that presumption by end of week.

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Murder is a result crime in E&W and Scotland, it requires the victim to actually die, yes.

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I don’t think the accused needs to know that the pit was bottomless. Pushing someone off of something really tall and knowing they’ll fall for a long time is likely sufficient in most jurisdictions because no reasonable person would think that the victim is not at least at the risk of significant harm.

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my lawyers have told me to argue that the victim didn’t die, the hole actually lead to Narnia

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Probably.

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I think unless we’re actually in a world where Narnia might exist with magic and sorts, the court would just presume the person who was pushed down a bottomless pit is dead.

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kidnapping and murder of (3rd, 2nd, 1st) degree

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In the US at least (this may vary by jurisdiction, but I would suspect not significantly), the prosecution can still charge murder if they can rule out other explanations for the disappearance. Like if the undisputed facts are that person A pushed person B into the pit, I’m not sure retrieving the body is necessary. A more grounded example would be if it’s undisputed that person A tied person B to an anchor, and dropped them into the Marianas Trench, that’s murder even if the body is irretrievable by nature of the murder. A more sci-fi but I guess plausible example would be one astronaut shoving another one out into the vacuum of space. Retrieving the body is moot given we know that sort of thing to be lethal without rescue.

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the prosecution would like to send a camera into the pit, to confirm it’s long enough to kill a person, or to attempt to find the corpse

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im gonna put a bottom in this bottomless pit

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ill sure miss tutuu…

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so 200-300 years ago we might have gotten away with it?

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Indeed
There are different mechanisms across jurisdictions to create a presumption of death without evidence of an actual body, because retrieval of a body can fail and does unfortunately

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Depends if you live in a religious evangelical cult where they say this would lead you to God or some other dimensio-

Oh wait, they say that today, and the place is Heaven.

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Or Hell.
You just don’t end up there alive.

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If it’s not established in the public consciousness that this hole leads to Narnia, the burden of proof will be on you (your lawyers in practice) to convince a jury that it is in fact a portal to Narnia.

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Would be a heck of a trial to watch.

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I believe in innocent before guilty. Therefore it’s up to the prosecutors to bravely jump into the pit themselves to test whether it leads to narnia

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so true bestie

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